are the only "black" characters from the summer islands
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:09 AM
are the only black characters.... or better in the context of the series " dark-skinned" characters... since i don't think the world of "a song of ice and fire" follow racial social contexts... or maybe they do? i just got into the series..
but anyways.. are the only "dark-skinned" characters come from summer islands?
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:16 AM
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:17 AM
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:18 AM
Dothraki are lighter, but darker than the common westerosi.
I also believe people from Dorne are darker than the common westerosi.
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:34 AM
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:37 AM
Essos, bravos, and dornish have darker tones simlar to middle eastern, spanish, indian depending on location
Olive, almond, yellow
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:40 AM
I've always imagined the peoples of Dorne and Essos as looking like people from Mediterranean and Middle East respectively. The exceptions would be the people from Qaarth who are explicitly stated to be quite pale, and all of the people running aroudn with Valyrian blood.
I assume that further east the peoples of Asshai and Yi Ti would be more asian looking.
Edited by Toccs, 24 May 2012 - 02:41 AM.
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:44 AM
Edited by A Bong of Ice and Fire, 24 May 2012 - 02:45 AM.
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:46 AM
has martin ever delved into the other contienents in his stories, or is it strictly westeros?
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:51 AM
Posted 24 May 2012 - 02:52 AM
I think you've missed quite a bit if you have to ask that question. Dany's entire arc takes place in Essos. From the Free cities all the way to Qarth. Arya is now in Essos. Tyrion is now in Essos. Victarion is sailing to Meereen and makes stops along the way. I'd say a good portion of the story is delving into another continent.
Edited by Dr. Pepper, 24 May 2012 - 02:55 AM.
Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:00 AM
but there all westeros native.. that happened to move to essos
what about essos born POV perspectives
Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:09 AM
Sure there is. Its just not as strongly 'colour' based. Practically everyone in ASoIaF is as rascist as they could possibly be. Anyone not of their own race is almost always 'inferior', 'savages', 'barbarians' or 'dogs(/lambs)' to whom mass-rape is an improvement of their race. America's historical colour based racism is more due to religious justification through a millenia or so (the punishment of Ham?) and Africa being particularly technologically backward when europeans 'discovered' it (at other times some parts of it had been quite advanced) and so relatively easily exploited (and exploitation requires justification if you want to think you can keep a moral high ground).
Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:17 AM
Yup, it's more a culture thing.
I doubt we will ever get Essosian (that sounds dumb) POVs, Martin has said that the story is about Westeros, with Essos there to reflect it.
Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:17 AM
Areo Hotah is Essosi born. Quentyn and Arianne half Essosi since their mother was from Norvos, though they were born and raised in Westeros. Dany was born on an island near the Westeros continent but she has never lived there and all of her memories are of Essos. Melisandre is allegedly from Essos (or at least spent her formative years and trained there).
The story is primarily about Westeros. The exclusion of many purely Essosi characters is deliberate. It's like an American traveling Asia and then writing about it. They can see and learn a whole lot but as they aren't from there, there's a lot that they miss. Dany is about as Essosi a character we get despite her parents hailing from Westeros and her brother having memories of it.
Posted 24 May 2012 - 03:18 AM
There was towards Alleras:
Dornish will fuck anything with a hole between its legs. Meaning no offense. You may be brown as a nut, but
at least you bathe. Unlike our spotted pig boy.” He waved ahand toward Pate."
Posted 26 May 2012 - 02:53 PM
Actually, this is not unprecedented in our own history. Racism didn't begin until the European empires decided to expand into Africa and other non-white areas of the world. Places like Egypt, and even India and China, were respected and in some cases revered by the Greeks and later the Romans. Trade took place between the West and East and there was mutual respect. Racism really is a fairly new phenomenon in human history.
Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:02 PM
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Edited by Stannis' sense of humour, 26 May 2012 - 03:15 PM.