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[Mulled Wino]

Another topic I'm sure has been discussed, but not that I can find.

What are people's theories on who the guy is that Theon meets outside of the Great Hall after Ramsey's boys harass Theon?

Abel (Mance) is singing and his girls are in the Great Hall with Ramsey's crew and probably the vast majority of all the garrisons at Winterfell.  Does this man have some significance?  It may be nothing as shortly after Theon was called to present his case for NOT being the killer to Roose's most trusted lords and no one was found dead around that time, buuuttttt

Immediately after that meeting, the Umbers outside of the castle began blowing their horns.  Was this a spy who scaled the walls while the garrison was feasting on horse?  Did they wait to start blowing horns until after one of their own made it over the wall safely?

[Bushido]

He calls Theon kinslayer (!) Big clue,so man of North/Riverlands/Vale - those who feel for Starks.
The only reason why I thought it could be Blackfish is because of the why he formulated the question -how is it that you still live-
Reminded me of Blackfish vs Jaime.

[Lan the Clever]

The hooded man is Howland Reed. It is known.

[Mummer's Arse]

The hooded man is his own reflection. He refers to himself bitterly as kinslayer. Also, the chapter is titled Ghost of Winterfell and is from Theon's pov. Pretty big giveaway.

[Dolorous Ali]

There are a lot of discussions about this. Here are the most popular theories: Blackfish, Howland Reed, Benjen Stark, Theon himself (like fight club), someone even mentioned one of the survivors of the sack of Winterfell (that someone said Maester Luwin), Mance. There might be some more, but I like it to be Howland Reed. Though there's no way to be sure. GRRM likes to mess with our heads.

[Mulled Wino]

Mummer, on 24 May 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

The hooded man is his own reflection. He refers to himself bitterly as kinslayer. Also, the chapter is titled Ghost of Winterfell and is from Theon's pov. Pretty big giveaway.

Not necessarily.  The ghost could be a ruse for wholever is killing everyone.  Its not like we know its the spearwives at this point.

[Mulled Wino]

Dolorous Ali, on 24 May 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

There are a lot of discussions about this. Here are the most popular theories: Blackfish, Howland Reed, Benjen Stark, Theon himself (like fight club), someone even mentioned one of the survivors of the sack of Winterfell (that someone said Maester Luwin), Mance. There might be some more, but I like it to be Howland Reed. Though there's no way to be sure. GRRM likes to mess with our heads.

I would love for it to be howland, but only if her came with the umbers.  He's been too invisible to just show up inside winterfell without a reasonable story.  Same with bejin and blackfish.

[Dolorous Ali]

Mulled Wino, on 24 May 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I would love for it to be howland, but only if her came with the umbers.  He's been too invisible to just show up inside winterfell without a reasonable story.  Same with bejin and blackfish.

It's not the same with blackfish and Benjen. Benjen has to go to the wall if he comes back, his honor shouldn't allow him to desert his brothers while many died just for searching for him. Blackfish probably has Jeyne Westerling with her, so it's not plausible for him to take her with him to Winterfell or to abandon her. I think blackfish and Jeyne went to UnCat and BwB. Remember Tom of sevens was in Edmure's tent. Besides, why would Blackfish go to Winterfell. I mean he was under siege and has no idea of what's going on so far in the north. Howland Reed is another story. Yes, we know that he isn't a greenseer/dreamer. But another Crannogman might be, just as Jojen is. So he might learn a lot about the happenings of the north. The fact that he's been invisible and that we don't know him opens up a lot of possibilities. Maybe GRRM would tell us the story behind it in twow.

[FateLess]

Dolorous Ali, on 24 May 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

It's not the same with blackfish and Benjen. Benjen has to go to the wall if he comes back, his honor shouldn't allow him to desert his brothers while many died just for searching for him. Blackfish probably has Jeyne Westerling with her, so it's not plausible for him to take her with him to Winterfell or to abandon her. I think blackfish and Jeyne went to UnCat and BwB. Remember Tom of sevens was in Edmure's tent. Besides, why would Blackfish go to Winterfell. I mean he was under siege and has no idea of what's going on so far in the north. Howland Reed is another story. Yes, we know that he isn't a greenseer/dreamer. But another Crannogman might be, just as Jojen is. So he might learn a lot about the happenings of the north. The fact that he's been invisible and that we don't know him opens up a lot of possibilities. Maybe GRRM would tell us the story behind it in twow.

Agree. Although, I am strongly inclined to believe that the hooded man is the Blackfish, having delivered Jeyne to safety with Lady Stoneheart and the BwB. The possibility of Howland Reed showing up at Winterfell as the hooded man is one that cannot be ignored.

[Aluminum Link]

Mulled Wino, on 24 May 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

Another topic I'm sure has been discussed, but not that I can find. What are people's theories on who the guy is that Theon meets outside of the Great Hall after Ramsey's boys harass Theon?

The big threads on this topic can be found here (Part1 and Part2).

And while I'm at it, I will add a plug for my own favorite theory, that the HM is Davos. Details of that theory can be found in the above links starting on Page 11 of Part1.

[Payme]

Mummer, on 24 May 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

The hooded man is his own reflection. He refers to himself bitterly as kinslayer. Also, the chapter is titled Ghost of Winterfell and is from Theon's pov. Pretty big giveaway.

That's if "Ghost of Winterfell" refers to the man wearing the hooded cloak... After a reread of that chapter, I'm not sold that it does...

[Xanrn]

Ok that some of you think Blackfish would be fine with Uncat and would leave a pregnant Jeyne Westerling with her and a bunch of outlaws astounds me.

[Longspear Ryk]

Aluminum Link, on 24 May 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

The big threads on this topic can be found here (Part1 and Part2).

And while I'm at it, I will add a plug for my own favorite theory, that the HM is Davos. Details of that theory can be found in the above links starting on Page 11 of Part1.

Davos??? Interestingggg......

[Babeldygob]

Theon is definitely the Ghost in Winterfell. I don't think the Hooded Man is the Ghost in Winterfell, unless it's Theon himself. A theory I very much like. We all know Theon has developed a kind of split-personality disorder. At a lot of points he doesn't know who he is or who he's supposed to be. The Hooded Man also isn't the one responsible for the killings, I believe. Except for maybe Little Walder.

We can assume that if we never get an explanation for this that it's Theon himself. I'm leaning towards The Blackfish though. But I think it would be great writing if it's Theon himself. I don't think Davos would go to Winterfell without first going to see Stannis. I don't think Howland Reed would risk going to Winterfell because he has other places to go to, if he ever gets out of his castle. As peoplehave said, Benjen would not be lost for like years beyond the Wall, presumably doing his duty for The Watch and then just go to Winterfell, unless his duty lies there, but he would definitely check up on his nephew first. It can't be Mance, if Mance is Abel.

[Mulled Wino]

Dolorous Ali, on 24 May 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

It's not the same with blackfish and Benjen. Benjen has to go to the wall if he comes back, his honor shouldn't allow him to desert his brothers while many died just for searching for him. Blackfish probably has Jeyne Westerling with her, so it's not plausible for him to take her with him to Winterfell or to abandon her. I think blackfish and Jeyne went to UnCat and BwB. Remember Tom of sevens was in Edmure's tent. Besides, why would Blackfish go to Winterfell. I mean he was under siege and has no idea of what's going on so far in the north. Howland Reed is another story. Yes, we know that he isn't a greenseer/dreamer. But another Crannogman might be, just as Jojen is. So he might learn a lot about the happenings of the north. The fact that he's been invisible and that we don't know him opens up a lot of possibilities. Maybe GRRM would tell us the story behind it in twow.

What i was saying is that Benjin has no reason to be there, he would have turned up at the wall.  And as far as the Blackfish, he doesnt make sense to me.  Everyone in the castle would know him and its not like he's initmately familiar with winterfell.

[Mulled Wino]

Aluminum Link, on 24 May 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

The big threads on this topic can be found here (Part1 and Part2).

And while I'm at it, I will add a plug for my own favorite theory, that the HM is Davos. Details of that theory can be found in the above links starting on Page 11 of Part1.

Thanks for the links.  Thats a lot of reading for me!

[hotweaselsoup]

It's Whoresbane Umber, who is coming back from signalling or passing information to his brother Mors beyond the walls.  Shortly after the encounter, the horns begin to blow.

If you re-read Theon's first meeting with Whoresbane Umber at the Dreadfort, you will also see that the contempt the Hooded Man shows for Theon is the selfsame contempt Whoresbane shows him at the Dreadfort.

Not as sexy as the Blackfish or Theon Durden, but imo Whoresbane makes the most sense.

[Mulled Wino]

hotweaselsoup, on 25 May 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

It's Whoresbane Umber, who is coming back from signalling or passing information to his brother Mors beyond the walls.  Shortly after the encounter, the horns begin to blow.

If you re-read Theon's first meeting with Whoresbane Umber at the Dreadfort, you will also see that the contempt the Hooded Man shows for Theon is the selfsame contempt Whoresbane shows him at the Dreadfort.

Not as sexy as the Blackfish or Theon Durden, but imo Whoresbane makes the most sense.

That theory i like, but he would be missed.  Im 100% sure roose is all over whoresbane because his bro went to stannis.  Maybe one of umber's men.

[mcb]

Longspear Ryk, on 25 May 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

Davos??? Interestingggg......

Well, the last time we saw him, he was bound for "a place where men break their fast on human flesh"...

[Prince of the North]

As others have said above, I've always thought The Hooded Man is Reek/Theon's own refelction in the side of the glass gardens.  As Reek/Theon walks toward the glass, his reflection (i.e. The Hooded Man) would also seem to be walking toward him.  The dialogue is internal.  Reek/Theon is having the conversation with himself.  It's indicative of "Theon" coming back to the forefront and "Reek" being pushed aside, etc.  That's when Theon begins making decisions for himself again and starts thinking about defying Ramsey.