bloodymime, on 08 June 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:
"No man is as accursed as the kinslayer."
"The kinslayer is accursed in the eyes of gods and men"
Kinslaying is right up there with violation of guest right and I personally don't agree it could be used as a expletive supported by the fact that there isn't one instance of talk of kinslaying I can find that even comes close to taking it lightly or falsely insulting. For that matter I can't remember any time of bastard being used as an insult to anyone but actual bastards either. Can you provide an example from the books?
Kinslaying also wouldn't even come close to being used to describe Moat Cailin. Kinslaying is kin slaying, actual family. Nobody would see that as Theon betraying family.
To me all this suggests its use as an expletive, the worst thing you can call someone. If we heard it before isn't really relevant, think of our language and it involves those worst things as curses. I'm not able to do those word count searches or look up these things on comp.
I am trying to forge some ideas, a lot of ifs are being used as truths in this discussion, I don't think we can irrevocably say kinslaying doesn't serve that function in Westerosi language. I know M-F****er is a pretty bad thing for us to call each other but it is often used when people aren't in fact MFs.
I think Theon's act of convincing the Ironborn to surrender, which results in Ramsay destroying them (No one would know Theon wasn't expecting that to happening), is consistent with the betrayal aspects of kinslaying. As I think also informs Manderleys own view of the Boltons, betrayers, oath-breakers etc.
Also, if your correct that no one would use it if it weren't actual kinslaying, then why is it being used for Theon when he did not actually kill his kin? Just a formality that he isn't actually related to the Starks? If we are viewing them as the kin he slayed. Is he is viewed by everyone else as a Stark, aside from the Starks and himself?
If it were him, Glover did not actually blow his cover, he ran into Theon, drew his knife and decided there were more important things to be doing.
Edited by Ser Elvin of Clymer, 08 June 2012 - 04:13 PM.