[Book spoilers] Loras's armour?
Posted 28 May 2012 - 07:51 AM
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:07 PM
I think issue here is if it makes any sense within the show that Loras wears Renly's armour at all? In the books, Renly's armour had three uses.
Firstly, it made the common people think that it was Renly himself, very much alive, that had come to save Kings Landing from Stannis. When Dontos presents Sansa with these news, the reader makes a mental exclamation point, as the reader has seen Renly being slain half a book earlier. I remember my own confusion over this many years ago.
Secondly, as Renly is firmly dead, it gives birth to the legend of Renly's Ghost, which is a great part in the public reconciliation of the Baratheon, Tyrell and Lannister factions.
Thirdly, the discussion about who actually wore the armour gives a lead-in to Garlan Tyrell.
The first point seemed to be ignored in the show, as Dontos and Sansa's interaction has been kept to an absolute minimum. The legend of Renly's Ghost may still float, but as Loras gave it away in public, I doubt very much it will become a common myth. Thirdly, if Garlan has been saved away, there is no need to give him a lead-in.
So, in conclusion, to me Loras wearing the armour is rather meaningless. At most a nod to the source material about what could have been, but nothing more than a superficial gesture.
Edited by Natmus, 28 May 2012 - 06:08 PM.
Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:11 PM
Posted 28 May 2012 - 07:08 PM
To scare the shit out of Stannis' soldiers. For a few moments, and if very lucky, for the duration of the battle. Really no reason to try very hard to keep it secret afterwards, as there's no need to maintain a legend of Renly's ghost. Since the Tyrells and the Lannisters now sing the same song: all hail King Joffrey, it would be politically awkward to support a legend of Renly, who did try to snatch the throne from under Joff's ass.
Also, it was personal for Loras.
Posted 29 May 2012 - 12:06 AM
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Posted 29 May 2012 - 05:42 AM
As we havent had a Tyrell POV in the book's we can't be 100% sure of Loras' inner belief's, I always thought of it as Renly could have been spurting whatever shit he wanted to Loras would have supported him because he loved him, If Renly would have claimed he was King of the North, Loras would proberly have backed his claim.
In this instance he is going for the Iorn Throne, Loras in the show (can't remember in the books) convinced Renly that he could be King because he is loved by the small folk who would rather him than Stannis. The Tyrell's sensing this pretty much back Renly as they have one of the largest army's, after Renly's death they are weekend by some of the houses joining Stannis.
The Tyrell's know that they cannot join forces with Stannis so they take the next best thing after Renly, The Lannisters. There is some more political wrangling (but I dont want to ruin that for you).
So the Tyrell's pretty much are not fussed about what is right or wrong the rightful heir or the pretender, for them it's a massive power play, but the Lannister's are not stupid either so both side's dont entirley trust each other but they need each other.
Posted 29 May 2012 - 06:21 AM