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[Know Face Man]

These are the people who where with Robb in the Kings Tent when he commanded then to fix their seals to a document as witnesses to his decision.

Jon Umber (Great Jon)
Lord Jason Mallister of Seagard
Galbart Glover
Lord Edmure Tully
Maege Mormont (She-Bear)
Catelyn Stark
Ser Raynald Westerling

And a, Fleshy balding man, with a cringing look to him. No Lordling, Not even a Warrior

WHO is this man Catelyn does not know???

Could this man be Syrio Forel???

Edited by Know Face Man, 28 May 2012 - 11:44 PM.

[Ser Wun Wun]

I thought he was the captain of some ship that escaped from Pyke, who brought news to Robb of Balon's death.  I could be wrong though.  Was he still in the room when Robb made his proclamation?

[Maroucia]

I can’t wait to hear from that will again. I would be extremely surprised if it doesn’t come into play at some point.
What was in it again? I know he made Jon his heir and disinherited Sansa since she had become a Lannister at that point. What else?

[Apple Martini]

Maroucia, on 28 May 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

What was in it again? I know he made Jon his heir and disinherited Sansa since she had become a Lannister at that point. What else?

We don't actually know what was in it — we don't know 100% that Jon was named heir or that Sansa was disinherited. Those ideas were tossed around, but we don't know how the final product turned out.

[Know Face Man]

The captain was told to wait outside the tent.

So im still not sure who the other man is?

And in my view I believe Robb made Jon a Stark aswell as Making him heir to the North And Winterfell, But as Apple said we dont know for sure..

[Maroucia]

Do we at least know where it is?

[Know Face Man]

I do believe Maege Mormont and Galbart Glover each have a copy.

[Ser Wun Wun]

Are we sure he even gave a copy of it to them though?  Without checking the book (which I have loaned out at the moment), I remember Robb giving lady Maege and Lord Glover documents with false commands in them, in case they were caught during their trip up the Neck.  Then he asked them to a fix their signatures to a proclamation and the chapter ends.   Does Robb actually say that he was giving them a copy of the will along with those fake documents?

But even if they don't have an actual copy of the will, Lady Maege and Lord Glover saw and heard what Robb proclaimed.  Would their word alone be enough to convince people?

[Maroucia]

Ser Wun Wun, on 29 May 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

Are we sure he even gave a copy of it to them though?  Without checking the book (which I have loaned out at the moment), I remember Robb giving lady Maege and Lord Glover documents with false commands in them, in case they were caught during their trip up the Neck.  Then he asked them to a fix their signatures to a proclamation and the chapter ends.   Does Robb actually say that he was giving them a copy of the will along with those fake documents?

But even if they don't have an actual copy of the will, Lady Maege and Lord Glover saw and heard what Robb proclaimed.  Would their word alone be enough to convince people?

It may if Jon turns out to be alive and is able to prove his talent as a leader and war commander. People in the North may come to really despise the Boltons for all the horrible things Ramsay is doing to them.
The real question to me is: would Jon be willing to leave the NW if he would come to learn that he is Robb’s heir to the kingdom of the North?

[NomadicDirewolf]

interestingly though, all of those people are currently alive so its more than likely there will be some way in which they bring it back up again

[TheIronCaptain]

Would totally love to see Jon march south with 20,000 wildlings at his side and 10,000 of manderlys men too. He would really tear sh!t up

[Budj]

I do think Jon was named heir...and I think he won't take Winterfell, but leave it to Rickon in the end....whether that's from NW vows or because he was only temporalily using it to rally the North for an Iron Throne claim we will have to find out later.

[victim]

It concerns Jon, in my opinion. Perhaps more importantly than the Will is what on earth happened to Galbart and Maege? I'm seriously starting to worry that neither found the Neck and simply disappeared in the swamps, though I'm hoping at least one of them found it and will emerge with Howland.

[Unhappy Starfish]

Even if Jon was named heir to Winterfell, would he abandon his post at the Night's Watch? He already was offered Winterfell before, even if it was slightly less legitimate than being named heir by Robb. However, I'm not totally convinced that he would quickly run to Winterfell. It's possible that Jon, if named heir by Robb, would pass that to someone else, such as Sansa or Arya.

[Budj]

As King in the North Jon would be able to re-organize NW policies just sayin'....

[Walder Waters]

If Jeyne Westerling is actually pregnant and Robb did not know this, would his will concerning Jon be still effective or automatical valid?

[Apple Martini]

Walder Waters, on 29 May 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

If Jeyne Westerling is actually pregnant and Robb did not know this, would his will concerning Jon be still effective or automatical valid?

He probably would have worded it like, "In the event that I have no trueborn children, so-and-so will be my heir." So if Jeyne actually is pregnant, that child would come before Robb's siblings. But there's obviously a good decade and a half before that kid would be able to do anything on his or her own, so they'd still need a regent and a day-to-day governor.

[Sarnius]

Maybe Ned told Robb of Jon's mother and Robb put all the information in the will!?

[Apple Martini]

Sarnius, on 29 May 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

Maybe Ned told Robb of Jon's mother and Robb put all the information in the will!?

No.

[bloodymime]

Unhappy Starfish, on 29 May 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

Even if Jon was named heir to Winterfell, would he abandon his post at the Night's Watch? He already was offered Winterfell before, even if it was slightly less legitimate than being named heir by Robb. However, I'm not totally convinced that he would quickly run to Winterfell. It's possible that Jon, if named heir by Robb, would pass that to someone else, such as Sansa or Arya.

I don't know either but it's important to remember that Stannis had conditions to his offer. Jon would have had to turn his back on the old gods and burn the weirwoods.

"Red eyes, Jon realized, but not like Melisandre’s. He had a weirwood’s eyes. Red eyes, red mouth, white fur. Blood and bone, like a heart tree. He belongs to the old gods, this one."

Apple Martini, on 29 May 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

He probably would have worded it like, "In the event that I have no trueborn children, so-and-so will be my heir." So if Jeyne actually is pregnant, that child would come before Robb's siblings. But there's obviously a good decade and a half before that kid would be able to do anything on his or her own, so they'd still need a regent and a day-to-day governor.

That would be the question to me, does Robb name Jon as regent if he has an heir from Jeyne. My gut says yes, likely even a grant of good lands for Jon when it comes time for him to step aside.

For the record this is something I agree with Cat on, it really sets the potential for things to get ugly down the road. It's not just a matter of Jon but his children and their children and their children's children's children. All it would take would be one ambitious JonStark convincing themselves or being convinced that Jon was the firstborn, whether he was or not it's close enough to be hard to prove, and they're the rightful Lords of Winterfell.

Edited by bloodymime, 29 May 2012 - 11:22 AM.