Marakh, on 11 February 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:
Still my favourite show to date. Problem is, people focus too much on the science fiction rather than the characters, acting, chemistry etc. Who cares if the ending sucks? You don't watch a tv show just to get to the ending, it's what happens in between that is important, and it definitely delivered more than any show I've watched since. Yeah, Breaking Bad, walking dead etc are awesome, I love them all, but not once have I ever had that same feeling when I said "FUUUUUCK" at the end of the season like I did at the end of Lost Season 3. And that is because I cared about the characters. I like the happy parts, I like the sad parts, I love everything that brings emotion. I also love the music, big part of what makes it memorable IMO.
Looks like most of you were waiting for something too big, like a big revelation or I don't know.
Warning: Long reply ahead. Sorry.
Well, what I was mainly testing with this rewatch was how well the show holds together as a whole, and (if it didn't) to what extent I would still enjoy the show for those character interactions. Particularly since you're absolutely right- on the first time through, Lost could make you say FUUUUUUUUUCK like no other show and get you imagining and discussing with others what it all meant and where it was going. So here's what I've discovered on my rewatch:
Yep, I still enjoy the good character moments and interaction, the music, the often phenomenal acting, and many of the plot elements. I still loved the reveal that Locke was paralyzed before the plane crash. I loved Mr. Eko's and Richard's backstory. I loved Desmond and Penny and the time travel madness. But here's one problem, for me: Lost isn't The Wire or Deadwood, shows with uniformly great actors and characterization. There are a lot of characters who are poorly written and poorly acted. There are a lot of pretty bad episodes. Even a lot of the interesting characters go through uninteresting phases- Jack's tattoo episode is the worst symptom, but there are large stretches of time where Sayid has nothing to do, or where Jin and Sun's only purpose is to pipe in once an episode and say "where's my husband/wife?" in a bored tone.
And I can't get past the fact that I didn't just watch Lost for those character moments. It was a big part of why I watched Lost, sure. But I loved the mysteries. I loved trying to figure out how everything fit together. I loved the island's creepiness, its weirdness, its science fiction. And I don't think you can blame anyone for loving and focusing on those elements of the show. That's what the marketing after season 1 stressed (the ads for season 6 didn't promise a fitting conclusion to a character drama, they promised that THE ANSWERS ARE COMING). That's the way the show was written. I've been going back and reading some of the old threads from when season 6 was first airing, and "the science fiction" is what 80% of the the discussion focused on. It's great if you can focus on the show as a character drama exclusively, but it is disingenuous to claim that Lost never wore it's science fiction/fantasy/mysteries element front and center, or that the show would have been anywhere near as successful if it was just a character drama on a normal island. And I'd argue that its best moments combine the character drama with the mysteries of the island. Desmond and Penny's phone call in the Constant is one example. "WE HAVE TO GO BACK" works not only because it's a complete reversal of Jack's character arc, but also because it changes the stakes of the show completely. What was a show about trying to escape from a weird island becomes a show about the weird island itself and what our characters' relationship to it was.
And I also can't pretend that I don't like stories to be cohesive. I do, and that's my own personal tastes, and it's not something particularly out of the ordinary. It's also why I enjoy the last half of season 3-end of season 5 the most, because overall that part of the shiw does feel like a pretty cohesive story. Because once I know that an element, or two or five or five hundred aren't part of the cohesive story, then the show's weaknesses start becoming pretty apparent to me. All the stuff with Jacob's cabin always seemed kind of silly to me, but I could excuse it because I was excited to see how it fit into the show. Well, it turns out to all be a complete red herring, so the silly scene where Ben pretends he's talking to Jacob just remains... Silly. A lot of the show's weaknesses become more apparent (in season 6, for example, the characters' tendency to go halfway across the island, meet someone, ask some questions, get a vague response, ask no follow up questions and then go to the other side of the island to repeat the same process). So for me it was never about the answers to the sorts of questions like "what is the Hurley Bird?" or "who exactly built the statue?" It's about knowing why Eko is killed by the smoke monster in season 3, and why noone ever brings it up again. Or what happened in Jacob's cabin. And again, when you realize that these events don't fit into the show's plot at all, then a lot of the show just becomes silly, random things happening.
Anyway, that's just my take on the show, and I'm happy that there are people who still love the whole thing. Coming off this rewatch, my overall feeling is that I still like Lost. But probably not enough to ever watch the whole thing again.
Edit: Shryke said it better, in 69884494 less words.
Double edit: I'm re-watching Across the Sea right now, and fuck if the writing in this one isn't awful.
Young MIB: "Mom, what's death
Creepy stepmother: "Something you'll never have to worry about."
Scene 2 (literally the next scene): Young MIB and Jacob are hunting a boar. A mysterious man kills it and they escape.
Scene 3: Young MIB: "Mom, someone killed
Edited by Caligula_K2, 11 February 2013 - 01:45 AM.