[Spoilers] The Three Dragon Heads?

[Whore of Tarth]

Who do you think will be riding Dany's Dragons by TWoW and TDoS. What role will the Dragons have in the last 2 books?

I have always had the theory of Dany riding Drogon (obv), Aegon riding Viserion and Jon riding Rhaegal. I think they all symbolise something about the previous characters they were named after. Drogon is the "Grim Reaper" and the transportation for Dany to head back to the Night Lands. I think Dany will die at the end of the series, and Drogon (and the dragons) are there to help her complete her final task, which is to defeat The Others and help Jon reach the Iron Throne.

Aegon w/ Viserion is mainly because he truly reminds me of "The Beggar King". I believe he could be real, but he is so reminiscent of Vieserys in his leading the GC to Storms End, flying his banners etc. He's everything Viserys was, and dreamed of accomplishing. I believe he will reach KL and rule with Sansa Stark, however i don't see it lasting too long.

Jon i see riding Rhaegal. I think Jon is the only person in the books that resembles Rhaegar and i see him riding Rhaegal. There is the theory that R+L=J lol, but i think the fact he always has honour and protects those closest to him (Val, Aemon, Sam etc). I also remember the phrase Jorah told Dany about Rhaegal:

"Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaegar died."

I can see him married to Arriane Martell, strangely enough. I think Val and Sam could become the 1000th LC and next Maester at The Wall, respectively. Chosen at the behest by King Jon Snow, who could move the Iron Throne to Winterfell where he reigns there.

Thoughts? Who else do you think could become the 3 heads. :)

[KC_Accidental]

Regarding Aegon/Viserion, I think it possible that if Tyrion is actually a Targaryen then Viserion would be his. I know this rumour obiously isn't set in stone but I don't believe that Aegon is legit and Tyrion could be deemed as someone who was entitled to a life they never received, being treated like crap all their life like Viserys.

I agree that Jon riding Rhaegal would be apt as Rhaegar is undoubtedly his real father.

Other possibilities of the 3rd head are Victarion, Jaime Lannister and Arianne. I like the idea of Jaime because it could provide some redemption for him to mount a dragon and use it for good. There's also something interesting about it given the fact that he's now a cripple. I don't think there's real strength in this theory however. Victarion is an obvious one as he is in Mereen, has a horn and there's reference to a Kraken in one of Dany's prophecies. As much as I think Victarion is bad ass I don't particularly like this idea though. He is polar opposites from Dany. Arianne is interesting because she is a strong woman who seems to have some respect for Dany (as seen in her sample chapter from Winds). There's the issue of her being in Westeros though.

I suppose Arya is another possibility. She is across the Narrow Sea and could end up Dany's way. I suppose the question begs, will the 3 heads be determined before Dany reaches Westeros or after?

[The Lioness Cersei]

I find it absolutely ridiculous to put Jon there. The Starks and Targaryens aren't allies, why on earth would Dany let Jon ride her dragons. Even of R+L=J is true, I don't think that Dany will swallow it. Martin sent him to the wall for a reason!

Ps I'll cry If Dany dies.

[The Lioness Cersei]

Regarding Aegon/Viserion, I think it possible that if Tyrion is actually a Targaryen then Viserion would be his. I know this rumour obiously isn't set in stone but I don't believe that Aegon is legit and Tyrion could be deemed as someone who was entitled to a life they never received, being treated like crap all their life like Viserys.

I agree that Jon riding Rhaegal would be apt as Rhaegar is undoubtedly his real father.

Other possibilities of the 3rd head are Victarion, Jaime Lannister and Arianne. I like the idea of Jaime because it could provide some redemption for him to mount a dragon and use it for good. There's also something interesting about it given the fact that he's now a cripple. I don't think there's real strength in this theory however. Victarion is an obvious one as he is in Mereen, has a horn and there's reference to a Kraken in one of Dany's prophecies. As much as I think Victarion is bad ass I don't particularly like this idea though. He is polar opposites from Dany. Arianne is interesting because she is a strong woman who seems to have some respect for Dany (as seen in her sample chapter from Winds). There's the issue of her being in Westeros though.

I suppose Arya is another possibility. She is across the Narrow Sea and could end up Dany's way. I suppose the question begs, will the 3 heads be determined before Dany reaches Westeros or after?

Arrianne is also a perfect idea!

[gingerpunk]

At this point, I'm not disputing or standing behind the legitimacy of Aegon's identity. I can say that he is a little reminiscent of Viserys, but he's more of what Viserys would've liked to be than what Viserys was. It's not a wonder to me that so many dispute that he is actually Aegon Targaryen, because he's been introduced so late in the series, and we really know so little about him. To me, however, this is more a cause to neither believe nor disbelieve in his claim. I don't think that the legitimacy of his claim will make an impact on his ability to mount a dragon, though. Viserys was a legitimate and confirmed Targaryen, yet I don't believe he would've been able to mount a dragon had it been an option for him. When Drogo killed him with the molten gold, Dany commented that fire could never kill a dragon, suggesting that Viserys was unworthy of his name and blood. So, whether or not Aegon is a legitimate Targaryen, and whether or not he can mount a dragon will remain to be seen. Regardless of the legitimacy of his claim, I don't think he will be a rider. I believe that the Three Heads will be people we have been watching throughout the series, not someone we've been recently introduced to, which eliminates Victarion as well.

I do believe that Bran is destined to warg a dragon, although I'm not sure as of yet how this is to come about. At the moment where we left him, he knows nothing of the dragons' existence, although he could find out much with his greenseer abilities, we've seen too little of him in the last novel to make too many assumptions. I really have faith that Tyrion will be mounted on a dragon by the end, and, as someone stated in another thread, it would be fitting if it were a dragon warged by Bran. As for Jon, I'm not sure if he's going to warg or ride a dragon... he could really do either. He's a capable fighter as well as a leader. I'm also a proponent of his Targaryen parentage, but I don't really know where to go with it. I don't think he would be overly eager to become king in the north, but I do think that he would rule as king in the north to honor his father and his brother, which would be important to him. Of course, GRRM could throw us a curve and have his final chapter in ADWD have really been his final moments incarnated as Jon Snow, but I'm so certain that's not the case. Why invest the amount of time in a character as Jon Snow if only to kill him before the climax? There is some role for him to play.

So, I am fairly certain that Tyrion will be one of the three dragon heads. As for the other, I am not very certain at all. I believe Arya will show a whole different set of strengths and abilities as a capable killer, but I'm not sure if I see her riding a dragon. Jon, I can definitely see, but I believe he's just as likely to warg one. Maybe Stannis, if he could forsake his claim to the Iron Throne and support the Targaryen(s?). Or perhaps Gendry, beings that the Baratheons have some Targaryen blood, and he seems like an able enough guy. He was also introduced to us in the first novel, but was lost track of more and more as the novels got further along. Again, there must be a reason to have had so much invested into this character in the past.

Anyway, whoever may end up on the backs of Rhaegal and Viserion, I just can't wait for it...

[gogorath]

I really, really hope one of the dragons dies (at least). I hate infallible prophecies. But I have no idea what Martin will do.

If there are three, I suspect Tyrion, Jon and Dany like most. But that definitely seems formulaic.

[The Lioness Cersei]

Arrianne, Aegon and Daenerys! Stop this Jon stuff!

[KC_Accidental]

I find it absolutely ridiculous to put Jon there. The Starks and Targaryens aren't allies, why on earth would Dany let Jon ride her dragons. Even of R+L=J is true, I don't think that Dany will swallow it. Martin sent him to the wall for a reason!

Ps I'll cry If Dany dies.

If Dany knew that Jon was her cousin and that Rhaegar and her mad father were hugely responsible for the rebellion then I think she would definitely sympathise with Jon. There's also the matter of her vision of the Red Wedding. I believe that this was to build up some sympathy for the Starks. Why else would it be there? Just for the reader? I doubt it. Everything she saw seemed to directly relate to her and her family so there must be some reason linked to her for seeing this. Ser Barristan has been very cautious about telling her the whole truth about her father and how much of an unhinged man he was. He has held back and I think at some point he will spill the beans or someone else will (Tyrion) and then he'll reluctantly back it up. After hearing about how her father burnt Rickard Stark alive while Brandan was forced to watch while strapped to a device that strangled him I'm sure she'll come around to the Starks.

Aegon is undoubtedly the mummers dragon, there is no doubt in my mind that he is not a legitimate Targaryen. Even if just for the fact that it is incredibly cheap for GRRM to introduce him so late with a tale of swapped babies. Of he is a fake then Dany will not like it for obvious reasons and also because he will be challenging her for the throne with a better claim. Aegon is the stuff legends are made of, he is far too perfect so I think he will have to have some major fault i.e. being a fraud. I can see him being roasted alive by Drogon.

Asha Greyjoy is another possibility I suppose, especially if she ends up in Braavos like some people speculate. Not one I favour personally though.

My mind is always cast back to the warning Quaithe gives Dany:

"Soon comes the pale mare (plague), and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame (Victarion and Morqhurro), lion and griffin (Tyrion and Connington), the sun's son (Quentyn) and the mummer's dragon (Aegon). Trust none of them."

Does this mean she can't trust Tyrion and therefore he won't/can't be one of the dragon heads? Maybe Tyrion will be the one to kill off the dragons in the end because they're too dangerous. Quentyn obviously tried to release the dragons so his distrust is obvious. Aegon if he is indeed fake obviously shouldn't be trusted. Victarion means to steal her dragons and her as well to be his bride so it can't end well with him. I'd guess we all want Tyrion to help Dany so I wonder what it means for him. Maybe the lion will end up being Gerion Lannister who was AWOL in those parts. So yeah, I think this sadly could cast some doubt on the Tyrion theory.

[Handsome Man]

Good, topic, and I like the post stating that it will "appear" that Dany and her two nieces (ok assuming Jon = R+L) will be the three heads, but as with what I believe was forshadowed with Quentin that unless you truly have the blood of the dragon, the dragons will not respond. Which to then I think Aegon will not be able to control whichever dragon, and you'll find out Tyrion is a son to the Mad King (so brother to Dany), and he'll be the third head with Jon and Dany.

Especially since I think those three are arguably the three main characters, and with Aegon truly dead then Jon would be the "Song of Ice and Fire".

[Whore of Tarth]

I find it absolutely ridiculous to put Jon there. The Starks and Targaryens aren't allies, why on earth would Dany let Jon ride her dragons. Even of R+L=J is true, I don't think that Dany will swallow it. Martin sent him to the wall for a reason!

Ps I'll cry If Dany dies.

She will. Seethe

If Dany knew that Jon was her cousin and that Rhaegar and her mad father were hugely responsible for the rebellion then I think she would definitely sympathise with Jon. There's also the matter of her vision of the Red Wedding. I believe that this was to build up some sympathy for the Starks. Why else would it be there? Just for the reader? I doubt it. Everything she saw seemed to directly relate to her and her family so there must be some reason linked to her for seeing this. Ser Barristan has been very cautious about telling her the whole truth about her father and how much of an unhinged man he was. He has held back and I think at some point he will spill the beans or someone else will (Tyrion) and then he'll reluctantly back it up. After hearing about how her father burnt Rickard Stark alive while Brandan was forced to watch while strapped to a device that strangled him I'm sure she'll come around to the Starks.

Aegon is undoubtedly the mummers dragon, there is no doubt in my mind that he is not a legitimate Targaryen. Even if just for the fact that it is incredibly cheap for GRRM to introduce him so late with a tale of swapped babies. Of he is a fake then Dany will not like it for obvious reasons and also because he will be challenging her for the throne with a better claim. Aegon is the stuff legends are made of, he is far too perfect so I think he will have to have some major fault i.e. being a fraud. I can see him being roasted alive by Drogon.

Asha Greyjoy is another possibility I suppose, especially if she ends up in Braavos like some people speculate. Not one I favour personally though.

My mind is always cast back to the warning Quaithe gives Dany:

Does this mean she can't trust Tyrion and therefore he won't/can't be one of the dragon heads? Maybe Tyrion will be the one to kill off the dragons in the end because they're too dangerous. Quentyn obviously tried to release the dragons so his distrust is obvious. Aegon if he is indeed fake obviously shouldn't be trusted. Victarion means to steal her dragons and her as well to be his bride so it can't end well with him. I'd guess we all want Tyrion to help Dany so I wonder what it means for him. Maybe the lion will end up being Gerion Lannister who was AWOL in those parts. So yeah, I think this sadly could cast some doubt on the Tyrion theory.

Oh, so he's the mummers dragon. I totally forgot about that part. I agree, i don't see all the Dragons living to the last book, but i just cannot see Tyrion riding a dragon. Maybe because he is a dwarf lol, but i don't think he is worthy as such to do that. I see him more as a antithesis to a LF/Varys moreso. I can see someone like Arianne,.

[KC_Accidental]

I would guess that he's the mummers dragon yeah. I mean who else could it be? Is anyone else claiming to be a Targaryen? I suppose it could be interpreted as the suns son and mummers dragon are one and the same, Quentyn Martell. That he believed he could tame one of the dragons and ride it could be seen false. I'm not convinced though.

Tyrion is a strange one, I do believe quite a bit that he is Targaryen so it would seem silly if he was and then wasn't a dragon head. Then again there is the fact that Tyrion isn't or at least shouldn't be a warrior. GRRM has him doing more killing than he should in the books. He has a higher kill count than most character but I agree he is more suited to a scheming role. At any rate I can see him returning with Dany though to wreck havoc on Cersei.

[PromisedPrince]

TWO QUESTIONS.

since nearly everybody has figured out that jon = L+R , Will GRRM change the plot to shock the readers? it doesnt seem likely when you see the effort he put into putting the hidden hints in there from the beginning of the series but then again you never know with GRRM. If jon really equals L+R he would definately have to be one of the three heads without question. plus the whole "a song of ice and fire" cant be just a coincidence.

Secondly i dont see why everyone sees arriane as one of the riders? she has no targaryen in her wouldnt she just end up like her brother?

[KC_Accidental]

I see it as a slight possibility. I don't see the riders as needing to survive dragonfire in order to be one of the riders. If you want to believe that Jon Snow is one of the riders then you will have to dismiss that theory because Jon burnt his hand saving Mormont. If you simply mean that dragons won't take to her because she doesn't have Targaryen blood then that means that Aegon will have to be legit, which I can't see happening. Aegon has surely been set up as a foil to Dany's arrival. Besides it seemed like Quentyn was doing ok with Viserion but didn't account for Rhaegal and it's said that only one dragon can be 'tamed' by a person. Actually did Quentyn not believe he could do it because he had dragons blood? Do the Martells not have close ties with the Targaryens? I think people like the idea of Arianne because a) she is a strong character, B) shows signs of respect for Dany and c) she is a POV character. I seem to recall some sort of Dany vision containing a spear as well.

[Guest]

I would guess that he's the mummers dragon yeah. I mean who else could it be? Is anyone else claiming to be a Targaryen? I suppose it could be interpreted as the suns son and mummers dragon are one and the same, Quentyn Martell. That he believed he could tame one of the dragons and ride it could be seen false. I'm not convinced though.

Yeah, it's just so hard to know for sure. I don't know that we can even be 100% certain that every little foreshadowing even happens at all let alone whether it happens in the most logical way or an alternative interpretation. I'd agree that Aegon is most likely and that Quentyn is a legitimate alternative, but I don't think we can even rule out "neither" or even that there is ultimately no mummer's dragon.

[KC_Accidental]

I think if the rest of the prophecy/warning is true then the mummers dragon has to be true as well. After all the pale mare, lion, kraken and suns son have all definitely come true so I would think the mummers dragon has to be true as well. I don't think all prophecies will be true (as already seen with a couple) but this was all part of one prophecy that is otherwise accurate.

[baxter]

I find it absolutely ridiculous to put Jon there. The Starks and Targaryens aren't allies, why on earth would Dany let Jon ride her dragons. Even of R+L=J is true, I don't think that Dany will swallow it. Martin sent him to the wall for a reason!

Ps I'll cry If Dany dies.

I don't find it ridiculous, she can barely even control the dragon she is currently with, why should she be able to control who they let ride them? To me it seems as of now that the dragons kind of pick their rider (not quite dragon riders of Pern style, but you get my drift). Viserion is the white dragon if I recall, some have pointed to Ghost and thought it may be a hint towards him. But, I think we're presuming a bit much to think that her and the dragons are just going to hop over to the wall in a couple hundred pages, so I dont know if Jon will ever really get the chance to ride a dragon. Could warg it, though by accident, maybe that forms a bond?.

Somehow I think Tyrion will earn his way onto the counsel by determining who the Harpy is and then the dragon takes to him. Though he seems to think Plumm may also be admired by a dragon at some point I recall (is it his new chapter?)

I dont know, it just seems like these chums don't take kindly to strangers, Quent, so perhaps it is up to the wargs to control them. Unless that dragon horn actually works.

I am still hoping somehow that the ol' dragon under Winterfell actually turns out to be a dragon, or that the ice dragons are real and that is what Dany + 2 really have to battle. I keep thinking how boring its going to be when the dragons just swoop in and burn the others/WW to a crisp. I mean, seriously, how anti-climactic will that be, a giant horde of dead people is reeking havoc then poof, 3 dragons show up, breathe fire, and its over...has to be something / some way to beat those dragons up to make us worried.

[PromisedPrince]

Tyrion is a strange one, I do believe quite a bit that he is Targaryen so it would seem silly if he was and then wasn't a dragon head. Then again there is the fact that Tyrion isn't or at least shouldn't be a warrior. GRRM has him doing more killing than he should in the books. He has a higher kill count than most character but I agree he is more suited to a scheming role. At any rate I can see him returning with Dany though to wreck havoc on Cersei.

why do you think tyrion could be a targaryen? would tywin lanister let him live if it meant having to kill his wife? or if she really died at childbirth then tyrion cant be a targaryen.

if GRRM changes his mind and decides he doesnt want jon to be a targaryen anymore i think it would ruin the story alittle bit because although alot of people know about the theory now there is still alot of readers who dont know about it and it would be a nice surprise for them.

plus id like to think jon could end up on the iron throne :P

[irith]

Top Candidates:

-Dany obviously already has Drogon.

-Victarion would probably get Viserion (alliteration, and probably fits him better than association with Rhaegar). This is a logical choice but I'm not sure this will happen. If he gets Viserion he will be on Dany's team.

-Euron getting one of them. If this happens, I personally think that Dany will have to fight him and perhaps kill that dragon in the process. Would be cool and a compelling dilemma. Plus seeing Pyke engulfed in dragonfire would be AWESOME.

-Tyrion. Not a huge fan of it (Tyrion is a thinker to me, not a FIRE AND BLOOD DESTROY EVERYTHING type), but wouldn't be out of the question. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a Targ, it would ruin his entire dynamic with Tywin imo.

-Jon. Seems to obvious and a bit of a boring choice, but if Mel resurrects him it's pretty much guaranteed. I'm still hoping he has an Ice resurrection and gives us insight on the Others.

-Bran. He could probably warg a dragon, but it would a little asymmetrical (for lack of a better term) and how would anyone else know about it? I think Bran's role is elsewhere.

-Aegon. Compelling, especially if he's real, but it seems inevitable that Dany has to destroy him, which would be rather difficult if he had a dragon. If they end up teaming up to fight the Others, etc., he'll probably get one.

I do think the heads of the dragon (assuming no battle between the three) will be characters we've known a long time, probably since book 1. This is the greatest argument behind Tyrion and Jon being the other two. To me it would be a bit jarring to have Victarion or Euron get one - we barely know them.

[FDyck]

I like to think that Jamie and Cerci are Targ. It was clear that there was interest between the king and their mother. If they were targ. there is a huge relation to jamie and briennie and the egg and dunk stories. Beyond that he is doing a personality 'rebirth' as well becoming a more "good" character. And the queen is a crazy b so i could see her being the mad kings daughter.

THis would also make sense because they often say that Tyrion is Tywin's true son. This is ment to be that he has the tactics to rule or what ever but it could also be shadowing.

He could stab cerci and then brienne to forge light bringer. If that happens he will def ride a dragon with dany and jon. Although i like the idea above of Jon giving us a POV on the others but i think that will be Bran. The others seem to be somewhat organized and i think that has to do with brans teacher. Bran will take over that role and hopfully control a ice dragon (other dragon?!?)

Also just because i want to say it i think Varys is a Targ. and is the son of one of Aegon's (Egg) brothers children. Could be Meaker (or how ever you spell it) had him while across the red sea "cooling off" after his trial with dunk. Just would be cool, thats why he shaves his head.

[Silent_Hero]

I like to think outside the box so I'll just throw it out there...Darkstar.... There I said it.

Here comes crackpot theory. Elia gets held hostage by Aerys who uses her to blackmail the Dornish and Prince Lewyn into sending more men,he won't let her or her kids go to safety. Elia makes a baby switch with Asharas baby and sends Aegon(Darkstar) with her. Fast forward Ned meets Ashara and tells her about Elia and her kids so Ashara jumps off the tower as her kid got his/her head smashed in by Gregor. I'm sure some few others have thought of this as well said as much but Think about it Darkstar has brown hair with a shock of silver?

It would come out of nowhere if Darkstar was a rider, I mean Jon,Tyrion, YG, Victarion. These are just too well obivious I'd say.

I'm going for Euron on Viserion and Darkstar on Rhaegal Now that's a twist.