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[TWOW Spoilers] Miscon reading : two Winds of Winter chapters


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#1 Hmadkour

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:55 PM

so at miscon 2012, george r.r. martin read not one but two chapters from winds of winter!
he also answered a pressing and important question: what word did brienne of tarth scream in feast for crows?
SPOILERS FOR FEAST AND WINDS UNDER THE CUT!

the first chapter was from victarion’s pov, and detailed his fleet’s attack preparations! he also challenged three young men to blow the dragon horn from dance with dragons, telling them that the man who died when he blew it had done so three times, and that if they each blew it once they may die but if they lived they would be sung about forever, etc. tl;dr they agreed to blow the horn, he also spent some sexy time with the dusky lady
the chapter ended with victarion’s fleet closing in…
the second chapter was a tyrion chapter and mostly consisted of a game of cevasse with brown ben plumm; tyrion slyly begins to coax brown ben into switching sides (again), telling him that nothing would prove his loyalty to dany like the blood of her enemies! they keep getting interrupted by a second son who tells them that there’s a fleet in the bay and that they should probably go look, but brown ben dismisses the boy and tells him it’s probably just the fleet from volantis
eventually jorah mormont himself interrupts the game and informs them that it’s not the volantine fleet at all, but ships with black sails with krakens on them, oh shi!
anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
the questions moved on for some time, but then a girl asked “well what about podrick payne? he was getting hung with brienne!” and george confirmed that brienne had made the decision to swear her sword to stoneheart in order to save the innocent podrick payne from the noose
shortly after that the q&a session ended and we disbanded, but my heart is still ripped up and in conflict about this shit because at the end of dance with dragonsbrienne appears in jaime’s pov and he abandons the war effort to follow her - where is she taking him? will stoneheart ask her to kill jaime? if she does, how will jaime handle the betrayal? will he live? will they both live?

#2 Awake iron!

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:55 AM

I think Brienne will lead him to an ambush where he'll be killed by other members of the BWB. She's trapped in a shitty situation, she has to choose betweeen saving an innocent boy's life, or the life of a man who has done lots of evil things, but saved her from a horrible fate.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:51 AM

I feel like Brienne and jamie will get in a crazy fight but both characters will survive the confrontation in some way and then those two will bring the BWB to doing something big

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 03:24 AM

Brienne will probably lead him to the BWB and then her Jaime and Podrick will smash the BWB to bits.

I dont know if Podrick will be freed when Jaime arrives or if they will have to break him out, but once he is out, pod is going to kick some ass.

IF Brienne learned one thing from Jaime, it is that somtimes an Oath needs to be broken.(sword is also named Oathbreaker)

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 03:38 AM

AHAH! I knew Brienne screamed "Sword!" (though I briefly flirted with the idea of her screaming Stannis....). And OMG, Podrick lives! /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

I can't believe no one put this info on the internets before you, that Con was like 2 weeks ago. Nonetheless, thank you!

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:36 AM

I can't believe no one put this info on the internets before you, that Con was like 2 weeks ago. Nonetheless, thank you!


Agreed, thank you Hmadkour, I'm sure a lot of Pod fans can rest easier now

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:48 AM

I wonder if Hyle Hunt was spared as well.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:00 AM

I wonder if Hyle Hunt was spared as well.


i assume he is dead, can only save the one, and she chose the boy. i would led to believe

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:33 AM

I feel like an idiot for completely missing the "one word" meant something i just assumed that she was having a bit of a scream thinking she would die...

#10 Feather Crystal

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 10:18 AM

I had guessed, "Oathkeeper", but "sword" is good! I am waiting with baited breath as to whether or not this will mean the death of Jaime. There has been speculation that Jaime is actually Cersei's valonqar, and maybe Lady Stoneheart will allow him to go free if he promises to kill her. If this is the death of Jaime, then, in my opinion, Arya will be the valonqar as she is the younger sister of Sansa.

How exciting to have Brown Ben Plumm and Tyrion see Victarion arrive! Where the heck is Maester Marwyn from the Citadel? I had predicted Marwyn would find Daenerys before Victarion or Tyrion! LOL

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:58 AM

Miscon report has already been posted.

http://asoiaf.wester...__fromsearch__1

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:13 PM

It has, but this is the first time that we have had the additional information reported concerning Brienne and Pod. Thanks to Hmadkour for posting.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:30 PM

i assume he is dead, can only save the one, and she chose the boy. i would led to believe


On what basis do you think she can save only one? I thought that, very explicitly, the Brotherhood was saying that she could save both of them if she betrayed Jaime.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:31 PM

I think Brienne will lead him to an ambush where he'll be killed by other members of the BWB. She's trapped in a shitty situation, she has to choose betweeen saving an innocent boy's life, or the life of a man who has done lots of evil things, but saved her from a horrible fate.


You really think that's what will happen? Don't you think that would be a rather anticlimactic end to Jaime's story?

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:52 PM

the most optimistic outcome would be for Brienne and jaime to both survive and Stoneheart dying for real. But I don't think its gonna happen, not in this series. Jaime dying at this point? It is possible that his storyline is wrapped up but I would really like to see him disclose the twincest and then kill Cersei. We shall see.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:46 PM

Thanks for the update.

I think that she has UnCat and the BWB under the impression she'll lead Jaime into a trap. She may also be honor-bound to lead him into said trap. However, I think she's also really smart. She is NOT honor-bound to keep that trap quiet. I think she'll tell Jaime what's-up and they'll figure away around it. They will find a loop hole that allows them to keep their honor and continue their quests.

Alternatively, I could see Brienne taking an arrow for Jaime, so she saves him and Pod. I could also see Jaime going willingly, knowing that his sacrifice has saved Pod's life - and Brienne's.

From a sheer plot point, I don't know how much Brienne has to offer anymore. I feel like Jaime has more of an arc to continue. It'll be interesting either way, though.

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 03:21 PM

With this information we can assume that Brienne is leading Jaime into a trap. Upon being captured he will demand a trial by combat. Given he has only one hand, Lady Stoneherath will grant it. Maybe they've joined up with Thoros at this point. Stonehearth will choose Brienne as her champion and Jaime will fight himself. What that battle leads to only the gods know.

I don't think Jaime will lose, his arc would be pointless if he's to lose a trial by combat for horrors he did before he was on his redemption arc.

Brienne might well die. I don't see much use for her anymore other than having a final battle with Jaime. Or Jaime might get her into a position where he would be able to kill her and refrain from doing it, further convincing Stonehearth he is not the man he once was.

If Jaime somehow wins, Lady Stonehearth and moreso Thoros of Myr will be convinced of his innocence in the sight of the gods, especially since he won with only one hand. Maybe we will get a Victarion/Moqorro situation where Thoros animates Jaime's right hand, somehow making it bound to only fight the good fights.

Maybe Stonehearth then forces him to go after Sansa/Arya or kill Cersei/Walder Frey/Roose Bolton.

Edited by Babeldygob, 07 June 2012 - 03:23 PM.


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Posted 07 June 2012 - 04:09 PM

They free Sansa, Brienne joins sansa's guard, Jamie dies in the Fighting

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Posted 07 June 2012 - 04:24 PM

They free Sansa, Brienne joins sansa's guard, Jamie dies in the Fighting

How would they do that when they don't know where she is? Brienne says she's with the Hound, but she definitely is not. She's either misguided or intentionally lying to Jaime.

Edited by Babeldygob, 07 June 2012 - 04:24 PM.


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Posted 07 June 2012 - 04:44 PM

Unless some new information comes to light Un-Cat will not send Jaime off on another quest to kill Cersei, get Sansa back or anything like that. She doesn't listen to reason anymore, as illustrated by her refusal to believe Brienne and threatening to hang her.

I thought it was pretty obvious that Brienne had agreed to lead Jaime into a trap, given that she wasn't hung and is giving Jaime false information about Sansa. I had just thought that the word was "STOP!", really didn't think that it would have been either sword or noose. The only new information to take out of this is that Podrick lives. Which is great.

I don't think Jaime will die here. Nor Brienne. There's the matter of that prophetic dream he had about being in the lions pit at Castelry Rock. Now the location could be of no consequence but in the dream Cersei and everyone else leaves him and Brienne is the only one there for him. This could have partly already happened as Tywin as good as disowned him and Cersei mocks him for being a cripple. But if Brienne leads him into a trap then she's also deserting him. If this is to be the resolution of that dream then the only outcome possible is that Brienne sacrifices herself for Jaime.

So, Brienne dies or they both survive.