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[Suzanna Stormborn]

Lady_wolf, on 07 March 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

is there a page were you can find all chapters from WoW?

here is the most recent arianne chapter
http://georgerrmarti.../if-sample.html

[StarkDragon]

Fearsome Fred, on 11 June 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

That was before it reached the point of "Nothing had ever hurt so much."  The scream comes after.

Maybe.  Maybe not.  In any event, many are of the opinion that the books have already become tedious and pointless.  

But regardless, GRRM has made comments in interviews about characters (plural) who come back from death, BESIDES BERIC, who, like Beric, display hints of having lost a large part of their humanity, and replacing it with a narrow focus on some mission they had in life which keeps them going.  So he seems to claim we have seen at least 3 such characters (Beric, plus at least 2 more).  The only 3 that fit this bill are UnBeric, UnCat, and UnBrienne.  

UnBeric was fulfilling Ned's mission, but had forgotten the girl he was to marry.

UnCat was pursuing the motivations of her final act - merciless vengeance, and has apparently lost any interest in her daughters.

UnBrienne when we saw her, was pursuing her final mission: "sword" representing "take the sword and kill the kingslayer".  Her target was a man she used to love, again displaying loss of humanity.

Beric
UnCat
Robert Strong

That's 3.

Edited by StarkDragon, 16 March 2013 - 11:22 AM.

[A Bong of Ice and Fire]

GreenHand, on 26 January 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Actually Catelyn overheard the killer of her son Robb at the Red Wedding say one very cutting line which we must assume the ever-verngeful Lady Stoneheart took very seriously and very literally.  Dear Roose Bolton (or so I presume), has false incriminated our dear Jamie before Catelyn.


Actually I think it is merely an ironic reference of Roose's part to Jaime's parting words to Roose Bolton before leaving Harrenhal for King's Landing. Jaime of course knows nothing of the Red Wedding to come or his Father's hand and means his words in an entirely different context.


And so a terrible and ill-fitting fate laid down for Jaime, ever the one of misattributed deeds, by a misunderstanding and perhaps the one and only moment we see humour from Roose Bolton.

I don't think Lady Stoneheart needs any more motivation to hate Jaime Lannister. After all, it's undisputed fact that Jaime pushed her son Bran out of a tower window. I think Roose's last words to Rob are just him keeping his promise to Jaime. Roose's queer honor.

[Tattered Prince Pumpkinn]

Jaime cannot die... He is yet to kill Cersei...

[Toccs]

A Bong of Ice and Fire, on 16 March 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

I don't think Lady Stoneheart needs any more motivation to hate Jaime Lannister. After all, it's undisputed fact that Jaime pushed her son Bran out of a tower window. I think Roose's last words to Rob are just him keeping his promise to Jaime. Roose's queer honor.

Maybe to the readers, as far I can tell no one in universe has ever considered Jaime for that deed.

[Prince of the North]

StarkDragon, on 16 March 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

Beric
UnCat
Robert Strong

That's 3.

And, I believe:

Melisandre
Coldhands
Moqorro

And very likely more.

[It Rhymes With Meek]

Toccs, on 18 March 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

Maybe to the readers, as far I can tell no one in universe has ever considered Jaime for that deed.

Actually, in ACoK before Catelyn released him Jaime literally told her "I flung him from a window."

[LucifeLMartelL]

I think Jamie will strike a deal with Lady Stark and will be swore under her .... umm probably to find Sansa and Arya... ummm i mean the has to be over something.

[aryagonnakill]

Toccs, on 18 March 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

Maybe to the readers, as far I can tell no one in universe has ever considered Jaime for that deed.

It Rhymes With Meek, on 22 March 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

Actually, in ACoK before Catelyn released him Jaime literally told her "I flung him from a window."

And Tyrion called Jaime out on in almost immediatly.

Edited by aryagonnakill, 03 April 2013 - 01:18 AM.

[Dragon Doll]

Babeldygob, on 07 June 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

With this information we can assume that Brienne is leading Jaime into a trap. Upon being captured he will demand a trial by combat. Given he has only one hand, Lady Stoneherath will grant it. Maybe they've joined up with Thoros at this point. Stonehearth will choose Brienne as her champion and Jaime will fight himself. What that battle leads to only the gods know.

I don't think Jaime will lose, his arc would be pointless if he's to lose a trial by combat for horrors he did before he was on his redemption arc.

Brienne might well die. I don't see much use for her anymore other than having a final battle with Jaime. Or Jaime might get her into a position where he would be able to kill her and refrain from doing it, further convincing Stonehearth he is not the man he once was.

If Jaime somehow wins, Lady Stonehearth and moreso Thoros of Myr will be convinced of his innocence in the sight of the gods, especially since he won with only one hand. Maybe we will get a Victarion/Moqorro situation where Thoros animates Jaime's right hand, somehow making it bound to only fight the good fights.

Maybe Stonehearth then forces him to go after Sansa/Arya or kill Cersei/Walder Frey/Roose Bolton.

Arataniello, on 08 June 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

Podrick Payne

Prince that was Promised

Just saying.....

Yeah, they've been in it this long, surely he's keeping them around for something important.

[AegonSnow]

At best:  Brienne recaptures Jaime.  Cat doesn't kill him, but he did agree to give back her daughters.

This is where he broke his oath.   So now he's prisoner again at best.   Dead at worst.

[caliquenor]

That would be a great, logical development.

[mrlukeduke]

AegonSnow, on 08 May 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

At best:  Brienne recaptures Jaime.  Cat doesn't kill him, but he did agree to give back her daughters.

This is where he broke his oath.   So now he's prisoner again at best.   Dead at worst.

Assuming this is the case, what do you think Cat would demand (from Cersei/Tyrion) for Jaime's safe return?

Edited by mrlukeduke, 10 May 2013 - 10:47 AM.

[Chris High]

Toccs, on 18 March 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

Maybe to the readers, as far I can tell no one in universe has ever considered Jaime for that deed.

How do you have that many posts here, but not know that he told Cat. Like seriously, half of you dont even read the books apparently.

[jentario]

Is anyone going to ConQuest? GRRM is doing a reading there...