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[TeamDanyArya]

This theory was inspired by the thread regarding which is the bigger threat: the Others or Dragons?

What if Jon really is dead and then is reanmiated into one of the Others and leads them south of the Wall. He encounters Dany, leading her dragons, in King's Landing and they battle it out, destroying King's Landing and the Iron Throne. The series is called "A Song of Ice and Fire" so perhaps that is where this is all leading us. All the plotting and scheming on both sides of the Narrow Sea will be for naught if the Others make it past the Wall and Dany gets to Westros.

[Sir Omkar]

I doubt that Jon will get reanimated as an Other. But I hope it ends as Jon vs Dany rather than Jon + Dany and Jon defeating Dany.

[Istari]

If the gods are good then Dany will be annihilated at the hands of Jon

[COYStars]

Is there any basis for a belief that the dead can be reanimated into the Others at all?

The dead become wights, the Others' thralls, but not the Others themselves. I don't believe that the Others themselves are undead.

On which basis, I'm not sure why a wight would lead them.

[Dr. Pepper]

As COYStars notes, the dead can't be reanimated into an Other.  They can be reanimated as wights.  The Others are sentient beings with language, their own technology, and some sort of political system while wights are basically just mindless zombies, a big step down from the Un(character) things that the priests of R'hollor can create.  If Jon is reanimated as a wight, he isn't going to be leading anything because he'd be a mindless zombie.  Now, if he were reanimated by the magic of the Fire God he might be able to lead considering UnBeric and UnCat have been leaders of an outlaw group after their deaths.  But then it would be fire against fire and the ice would be taken out of the equation.

[Walder Waters]

And Dany will convert to the faith of R'hllor

[Lady Hodor]

If that happens, surely the Others are toast. Fire destroys ice every time. Put ice on a blazing fire and see for yourself

[Bushido]

COYStars, on 07 June 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Is there any basis for a belief that the dead can be reanimated into the Others at all?

The dead become wights, the Others' thralls, but not the Others themselves. I don't believe that the Others themselves are undead.

On which basis, I'm not sure why a wight would lead them.

I'd say no,otherwise they wouldn't take the newborns. (Craster's "sacrifice")

[Istari]

Walder Waters, on 07 June 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

And Dany will convert to the faith of R'hllor

Its likely - especially if a fire priest/priestess gives her some especially insightful lessons on dragons. But I hope it doesn't happen. I have always associated the faith of R'hllor with 'dark magic'. Not to mention the Faith of R'hllor cannot tolerate or respect the religions of other people.

[Silver Spearwife]

COYStars, on 07 June 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Is there any basis for a belief that the dead can be reanimated into the Others at all?

The dead become wights, the Others' thralls, but not the Others themselves. I don't believe that the Others themselves are undead.

On which basis, I'm not sure why a wight would lead them.

Leaf mentions that Coldhands was killed long ago or something to that nature. In any case, especially considering the color of his wardrobe, the implication is that he used to be a regular human.

[Ned's Epic Beard]

Lady Hodor, on 07 June 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

If that happens, surely the Others are toast. Fire destroys ice every time. Put ice on a blazing fire and see for yourself

Or Bran can warg into the Dragons and use them against danny! Flawless victory for the north

Edited by Ned's Epic Beard, 08 June 2012 - 03:41 PM.

[PatrickStormborn]

Not Jon vs Dany -- Jon and Dany. As in, they're gonna get married and y'all need to accept this.

[total1402]

Istari, on 07 June 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

If the gods are good then Dany will be annihilated at the hands of Jon

What on Earth makes you think Jon would fight Danny? Jons done everything he can to resist leaving his post on the wall, even though he wants to crush Ramsey Boltons neck and save 'Arya'. He even turned down Winterfell. He has nothing concievably against Danny, nor does she have anything against him. Hes just another bastard and Danny in Mereen showed she was very tolerant of people; yes she was glad Ned Stark was dead but not obsessive hatred to all Starks. Even if he is a Targarian, hes still a bastard and bastards cannot inherit even if male. Plus, theres kinda bigger things going on, like ice monster invasion. You know. Jon betraying Danny and siezing the throne for himself is massively out of character. Even Danny has very little desire for power, but just wants a happy life in a house with a red door. But fate, the gods and the honour of her family means she is obliged to retake the Iron Throne. I really don't see any situation where they would come to blows.

[total1402]

PatrickStormborn, on 08 June 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Not Jon vs Dany -- Jon and Dany. As in, they're gonna get married and y'all need to accept this.

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Incest=bad.


Danny+Jorah for wins

[Winter's Knight]

total1402, on 08 June 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

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Incest=bad.


Danny+Jorah for wins

Eww.

Dany/Jon is assured-sweet smelling blue rose in a wall of ice, yes?

[total1402]

Istari, on 08 June 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Its likely - especially if a fire priest/priestess gives her some especially insightful lessons on dragons. But I hope it doesn't happen. I have always associated the faith of R'hllor with 'dark magic'. Not to mention the Faith of R'hllor cannot tolerate or respect the religions of other people.

I don't think Danny would accept the faith, since shes surprisingly humble and being told YOU ARE THE AVATAR OF OUR GOD INCARNATE!!!; isn't something shes likely to accept. She could accept being in for great things, but not the divine. Also Barristan will forcefully tell her that the Seven are her gods. Plus shes very tolerant as you say. It'd be a bit like the Emperor in 40k struggling with the Word Bearers calling him a God. I mean it wouldn't surprise me if Danny denies it and they use the same 'only a truly humble messiah would deny their own divinity'.

[total1402]

Winter, on 08 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Eww.

Dany/Jon is assured-sweet smelling blue rose in a wall of ice, yes?

What?

Everybody likes the bear. Hes such an under-dog and has a good heart.


Would you rather the Kraken got its slimy tentacles wrapped around and into the Dragon?

Edited by total1402, 08 June 2012 - 01:33 PM.

[PatrickStormborn]

total1402, on 08 June 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

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Incest=bad.

Danny+Jorah for wins

A consensual relationship between two family members (who were not raised knowing they were related) is not as bad as a relationship where one participant is unwilling. Dany is not attracted to Jorah; that pairing is therefore bad.

[Silver Spearwife]

total1402, on 08 June 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

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Incest=bad.


Danny+Jorah for wins

Incest=bad?

Maybe in a different fandom. Methinks that question's a tad more complicated in these books.

total1402, on 08 June 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

What?

Everybody likes the bear. Hes such an under-dog and has a good heart.


Would you rather the Kraken got its slimy tentacles wrapped around and into the Dragon?

? No, obviously the person you're talking to would rather the wolf had her. When did Victarion become a factor?

[total1402]

PatrickStormborn, on 08 June 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

A consensual relationship between two family members (who were not raised knowing they were related) is not as bad as a relationship where one participant is unwilling. Dany is not attracted to Jorah; that pairing is therefore bad.

Sighs. She doesn't like him at the minute, things might change, don't rule it out.