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[PatrickStormborn]

Stannis the Stern, on 27 June 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

You're joking right? Kit has the same gormless face every episode and his act skills isas if there's a fork up his arse, which is a shame because Jon is a very good character in the books. Emilia was painfully annoying this season, more so than the one before. She's going to be one of those typical cringy awful pretty actress out there. Red waste acting was meh anyway.

Not at all. Jon is a fairly boring character without his internal monologue, as he's very introverted. Kit plays this quite well. He's far from the best on the show, but he's not bad.

I didn't find Emilia annoying this season. Dany being annoying =/= Emilia being annoying.

[MyGiantofLannister]

Whoever says Jon and Daenerys are portrayed poorly and are suffering from bad acting should give their head a shake and should love the fact we don't have Nicki Minaj and Justin Bieber instead.

[Stannis the Stern]

PatrickStormborn, on 27 June 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Not at all. Jon is a fairly boring character without his internal monologue, as he's very introverted. Kit plays this quite well. He's far from the best on the show, but he's not bad.

I didn't find Emilia annoying this season. Dany being annoying =/= Emilia being annoying.

Well Dany is annoying in the books and Clarke definitely tries to portray that as much as possible. Seriously you didn't find here constant whining annoying? WHAR R MAH DWAGONS!

[Zar Lannister]

Woman of War, on 13 June 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

As much as I loved Maisie Williams' performance - but Lena Headey was simply outstanding this season

I love Lena's portrayal of Cersei, and I wish she would get more credit for it. Besides, the Cersei character is probably one of the most fun and complex to play.

[Fred Stark]

Stannis the Stern, on 25 June 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

Well it's safe to say that Emilia and Kit will never be nominated. Atrocious actors.

I have to partially agree.Kit is really bad and his acting is really wooden.He does have the sulky look throughout both season. However ,Emilia is really good.The last episode where she meets Drogo and her baby is so good that it deserves a nod.

[PatrickStormborn]

Stannis the Stern, on 28 June 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

Well Dany is annoying in the books and Clarke definitely tries to portray that as much as possible. Seriously you didn't find here constant whining annoying? WHAR R MAH DWAGONS!

No, I don't. If my children were stolen, I'd be pretty angry about it. What exactly do you want her to say? Moreover I would hardly call Dany annoying in the books. YMMV.

And I can't believe I forgot about her scene with Drogo! Amazing stuff right there.

[lakin1013]

Dinklage has the odds to win (according to Gold Derby) as supporting actor.  I agree with others that he should have gone up as lead actor but wonder ....surely the reason cannot be to avoid Cranston, can it???  I also agree that Lena Headley should be nominated.  I do admit to some confusion as the HBO package makes it clear that any actor can submit themselves,  So, although HBO is offering Dinklage as supporting, anyone else, including Alfie Allen, could submit himself, right?

Assuming the dramas put up for best drama are all nominated -- what a list!! Downton Abbey, Homeland, GoT, BB, Madmen, and Boardwalk Empire.  Naturally I want GoT to win, but would not hate it if Homeland won.

By the way, never used the Gold Derby site before... tx, all.

Edited by lakin1013, 28 June 2012 - 03:51 PM.

[unRobert]

I think Emilia is a good actor. Suffers from awful lines and contrived plots. (Hey, Dany's story is really not adaptable to television. OK- we'll have her dragons get stolen. By the only two people you've met in Qarth. These same two people with throw a senseless, unexplained coup. In a series popular for it's political intrigue, we won't explain retribution or anything. So this way we can get Dany to scream about her dragons, after screaming about her fire and blood and revenge for the first half of the season. So we can show that the dragons are her power. I don't think the audience has realized the theme of power yet, so we'll have masked lady explain it a couple times also. )

Alfie! .. not this year, but maybe when he plays a certain other character...

Edited by unRobert, 28 June 2012 - 11:19 AM.

[Arya The Assassin]

lakin1013, on 28 June 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

Dinklage has the odds to win (according to Gold Derby) as supporting actor.  I agree with others that he should have gone up as lead actor but wonder that surely the reason cannot be to avoid Cranston, can it???

Technically he's a lead actor (after all, he gets top billing in season 2).  The reason why he's been submitted for a supporting role is because HBO feels the competition in the lead category is too tough. By promoting him in the supporting category, they hope to increase his winning chances. But Dinklage can submit himself for consideration in the lead category if he wants to.

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I do admit to some confusion as the HBO package makes it clear that any actor can submit themselves,  So, although HBO is offering Dinklage as supporting, anyone else, including Alfie Allen, could submit himself, right?

Yes, that's correct. But without the official promotional campaign by HBO it can be much more difficult to get a nomination in other categories.

[DragonAge93]

Kit's not a bad actor at all. He plays the part of Jon well, the troubled boy who is faced with becoming a man. He stepped up a lot this season, I think. I know he's always getting shit for his "open-mouthed stare", but so what? Doesn't make him a bad actor if he has a certain face while not saying lines. Emilia's not bad either. She whines because she has to, that's Daenerys, and she pulls it off well if there are complaints she whines too much. Just like how people hate Jack Gleeson because he plays an evil bastard. They are doing what they are suppose to do.

And I don't think there really is a Lead Actor in the show. Sure, Dinklage gets his name first in the opening credits, but hell, someone's name's gotta come first. Every actor basically had the same amount of screen time (well, not really, but it shifted so much as to not have it on one person the entire episode). Sean Bean was a lead because his character was in most, if not all the episodes, and for every episode he was in, he was in it for about 30 minutes or so, more thank Dinklage this season.

If anyone should win an award, I think it should be Alfie Allen, Maisie Williams, or Charles Dance, but I'd have to go with Alfie. He really showed his acting chops and picked up the story this season, and his final scenes were just spectacular. And Maisie just seems like a natural when she's on screen. Her interactions with both Jaqen H'gar and Tywin were brilliant. And Charles, well, he is great in any role he plays. Headey might get a nomination, and Dinklage most likely will get a nomination and win if he does.

[Arya The Assassin]

DragonAge93, on 28 June 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Kit's not a bad actor at all. He plays the part of Jon well, the troubled boy who is faced with becoming a man. He stepped up a lot this season, I think. I know he's always getting shit for his "open-mouthed stare", but so what? Doesn't make him a bad actor if he has a certain face while not saying lines. Emilia's not bad either. She whines because she has to, that's Daenerys, and she pulls it off well if there are complaints she whines too much.

I agree, none of them are bad actors. Some of the complaints I've seen here have more to do with how their characters have been written, not the acting itself. And Dany started to get a bit whiny in the books as well.

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And I don't think there really is a Lead Actor in the show. Sure, Dinklage gets his name first in the opening credits, ...

It's not a coincidence that he's the top billed actor, since he plays one of the main characters. He also had the most screentime in season 2 (1), befitting his status as a lead.

He's not the only lead, though. It can be argued that Emilia plays one of the main characters too (and she's gotten a substantial amount of screentime), and as such she's a lead actress.

EDIT: Just to clarify one thing: Being a lead doesn't necessarily mean you're the only main character. A movie or TV series can have several leads. GoT is based primarily on an ensemble cast with several important characters.

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Every actor basically had the same amount of screen time (well, not really, but it shifted so much as to not have it on one person the entire episode). Sean Bean was a lead because his character was in most, if not all the episodes, and for every episode he was in, he was in it for about 30 minutes or so, more thank Dinklage this season.

One of the reasons why Sean Bean was a lead in season one is that he was the biggest name on the show and he played an important character.

Sean Bean certainly didn't have 30 mins of screentime for every episode in season 1: He had lots of screentime in the first few episodes, yes, but his screentime decreased and later on he didn't get much more screentime than the other leads (particularly after episode 5), and by episode 10 we didn't get to see him at all (unless you count prosthetic heads).

I haven't kept score of the exact screentime in season 1, but I believe Dinklage (and Emilia) had more screentime than Sean in the second part of season 1, so he might actually have more total screentime than Sean. He's also one of the few actors on the show who's appeared in all 20 episodes so far. The only other actor with 20 screen credits on the show so far is Lena Headey, who I also consider to be a lead.

However, there's no absolute correlation between the amount of screentime and whether you're a lead or not, and it shouldn't be taken too literally. For example, Varys and Gendry had more screentime than Sansa and Robb halfway through season 2, although it can be argued that Sansa and Robb are more central characters.

(1) According to this list, compiled by hd47 (the list only covers the first 6 episodes, but it's reasonable to assume that Tyrion would top the list after 10 episodes as well):

http://asoiaf.wester...-of-characters/

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If anyone should win an award, I think it should be Alfie Allen, Maisie Williams, or Charles Dance, but I'd have to go with Alfie

Maisie would never compete in the same category as Alfie (since the categories are split for each gender), so I wouldn't mind if both won

Edited by Arya The Assassin, 30 June 2012 - 12:30 PM.

[The King of Worms]

MyGiantofLannister, on 27 June 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Whoever says Jon and Daenerys are portrayed poorly and are suffering from bad acting should give their head a shake and should love the fact we don't have Nicki Minaj and Justin Bieber instead.

Justin Bieber as Joffrey would be Hii-larious...

[The King of Worms]

lakin1013, on 28 June 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

Dinklage has the odds to win (according to Gold Derby) as supporting actor.  I agree with others that he should have gone up as lead actor but wonder ....surely the reason cannot be to avoid Cranston, can it???  I also agree that Lena Headley should be nominated.  I do admit to some confusion as the HBO package makes it clear that any actor can submit themselves,  So, although HBO is offering Dinklage as supporting, anyone else, including Alfie Allen, could submit himself, right?

Assuming the dramas put up for best drama are all nominated -- what a list!! Downton Abbey, Homeland, GoT, BB, Madmen, and Boardwalk Empire.  Naturally I want GoT to win, but would not hate it if Homeland won.

By the way, never used the Gold Derby site before... tx, all.

Best Show will go to Madmen, Cranston or Hamm will take lead actor... even though GoT is bigger, better, more popular than last season, I think the show will get snubbed for some reason. AMC is really hot right now with 3 huge hit shows.
I do think Maisie Williams has a shot though at supporting actress.

[Lana]

I hope Alfie and Lena get the noms. They killed it this season! Also, sad that Jack Gleeson was overlooked on the Emmy submissions. He's fantastic

[Lady of Long Lake]

Mladen, on 14 June 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

One thing is desires, another possibilities. Surely this cast deserves emmy, but individually, there are few who can be really nominated

1. Peter Dinklage - he was even greater this season
2. Charles Dance - I hate his character, but man, he nailed it
3. Tom Wlaschiha - wow, I never thought his scenes would be that cooool

As for ladies:

1. Lena Headey - one word, perfection
2. Maisie Williams - she is embodied Arya so well
3. Sophie Turner - I really liked Sophie this season, and I think she deserves a nod

Everybody else, wait for your turn next season...

These would be my picks too. And I agree with Stannis the Stern about Emilia but she is less painful this season to watch than last season. She has improved some. I disagree about Kit though.  I think Kit is doing a fine job. Book Jon seesaws between being mad and sad, through all 5 books. I think Kit is portraying Jon's unrest and his personality almost perfectly.

[Le.Chevalier.D'Eon]

No question in my mind.  Alfie Allen.

[I hate Dorn]

At the very least, one of the fans who gets to ask a question of the panel at comic con needs to say Alfie deserves an emmy, so the rest of the crowd could then give him a huge ovation

That guy deserves a moment of some sort or another, for what he gave us this season

[DragonAge93]

I hate Dorn, on 01 July 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

At the very least, one of the fans who gets to ask a question of the panel at comic con needs to say Alfie deserves an emmy, so the rest of the crowd could then give him a huge ovation

That guy deserves a moment of some sort or another, for what he gave us this season

Hell yeah, I agree. I wish I could go just to say that. I'd just straight up say that he killed it this season in every way possible, that he was the "Eddard Stark" for me this season.

[KnightOfDragonstone]

I'd love Alfie to win this, just because of his great scene before the betrayal of Ramsay. Emotional highpoint of season 2 for me. I'd also like Stephen Dillane to win something just for being totally awesome as Stannis.

[Nostrae Sunt Furiae]

If it were up to me, Jack Gleeson would have at the very least been submitted. As much as I love Jon and Kit, Jack and Joffrey stood out so much more this season and I think he deserves more recognition than he is given by HBO.

Naturally, Peter is going to be nominated, hopefully along with Alfie. I would rather have Alfie win it than Peter, but that is not going to happen.

I think Lena has a chance of getting nominated, along with either Maisie or Sophie. Michelle and Emilia didn't really do much that stuck out this season. In a perfect world, Sophie would win best supporting actress because she plays her role flawlessly, but since Maisie/Arya are fan and critic favorites, she is the more likely of the two to stand a chance.