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[Winter's Knight]

That's right folks, the real tragedy of ASoIaF is not the star crossed romance of Rhaegar and Lyanna but the love that dared not speak it's name.

Consider Eddard Stark, the second son outshone in looks and vitality by his elder brother Brandon. Whilst living with his foster father, he grows close to the brave and handsome Robert Baratheon .

Robert is everything Eddard isn't-fond of laughter and of battle, a real man''s man.

Except in one thing.  (dun dun DUN)

Robert harbours a secret lust for his foster brother.

The evidence is subtle but irrefutable: apart from Ned's infamous "muscled like a maiden's dream" remark, there is his resentment of Cersei from the very beginning of AGoT, his passionless marriage, there is Robert's inability to sleep with a woman sober and then, there is Lyanna.

Yes Lyanna. Consider, Arya is said to resemble Lyanna and she is said to resemble Ned as well. Is it just a coincidence that Robert fell in love with a girl who looks just like Ned?

[danm_999]

They did have some very married coupled vibey fights, like over murdering Daenerys...

[Silmarien]

It is very clear to me as well (thank you Winter's Knight for making this thread!).  Ned and Robert are star-crossed would-be lovers, only held back because of the social constraints of their time....

Why else would Robert Baratheon be so intent on "spreading his seed" and proving himself with so many whores?  Because he secretly loved The Ned, that's why!  And he felt like he had to prove to the entire world that he didn't!

Just look at The Ned's thoughts on Robert.  "Muscled like a maiden's fancy"?  Come on people.  There's a serious bromance here!

Edited by Silmarien, 12 June 2012 - 07:33 AM.

[Arkash]

Wow... disturbing theory... I mean, in the way that it changes quite a things about the characters...

[Rapsie]

Robert seemed very curious about Wylla, he thought she must have been some woman to make Eddard Stark break his vows: but vows to who? Surely not Cat. No clearly it was a cover: Robert didn't understand what woman could ever have attracted Ned's eye.

[Lyanna Stark]

Very true, and after suffering in silence all those years, King Bob could not take it anymore but he went all the way to the North to beg Ned to leave his wife behind and come south to rule together with him. What is this a sign of if not a man in torment?

[Kittykatknits]

Hmm, the real reason why Robert wanted to marry Lyanna - so him and Ned could better hide their passionate love?

[danm_999]

Silmarien, on 12 June 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

It is very clear to me as well (thank you Winter's Knight for making this thread!).  Ned and Robert are star-crossed would-be lovers, only held back because of the social constraints of their time....

Why else would Robert Baratheon be so intent on "spreading his seed" and proving himself with so many whores?  Because he secretly loved The Ned, that's why!  And he felt like he had to prove to the entire world that he didn't!

Just look at The Ned's thoughts on Robert.  "Muscled like a maiden's fancy"?  Come on people.  There's a serious bromance here!

New theory; Robert has Littlefinger murder Jon Arryn to bring Ned down to King's Landing.

Robert wanted to marry Lyanna because she was the closest socially acceptable look alike to Ned.

He asks Ned about his bastard's mother because he's making a hit list of all the ladies that have been with, or been lusted after, by Ned. Ashara Dayne did not jump from any tower, she was pushed!

It explains why Robert insisted on having a Tourney for Ned, and it explains why he wanted to go into the melee; he wanted to impress Ned.

Robert let the boar kill him, because he knew at this point he could never have Ned and life wasn't worth living.

Edited by danm_999, 12 June 2012 - 07:40 AM.

[Kittykatknits]

Lyanna Stark, on 12 June 2012 - 07:37 AM, said:

Very true, and after suffering in silence all those years, King Bob could not take it anymore but he went all the way to the North to beg Ned to leave his wife behind and come south to rule together with him. What is this a sign of if not a man in torment?

Yep, and Ned made sure that Cat didn't go with him, giving him more alone time with Robert.

[The Drunkard]

No wonder Robert wanted Ned to be his Hand.

*wink*

[Lord Paramount of Essos]

You people are sick  

[Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren]

This is also supported by Ned thinking that he has been living a lie all of his life. What else could it be? As for the promise to Lyanna, Ned had to promise that he would abandon his heart's desire.

Edited by Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren, 12 June 2012 - 07:46 AM.

[Rapsie]

Ah the Tourney...... The Kingdoms are in a poor financial state and yet King Bob throws an outrageously lavish Tourney in Honour of his best friend becoming his Hand.

Now here is a query: Where was Ned at the end of the feast after the first night of the Tourney? We know from Sansa's POV that he had disappeared (to console the King perhaps?), and Sansa was left alone to walk back to the Castle with Sandor. So again, where was Ned? The answer can only be, that he was with King B.

[Kittykatknits]

Rapsie, on 12 June 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

Now here is a query: Where was Ned at the end of the feast after the first night of the Tourney? We know from Sansa's POV that he had disappeared (to console the King perhaps?), and Sansa was left alone to walk back to the Castle with Sandor. So again, where was Ned? The answer can only be, that he was with King B.

Hmm, I'm guessing they were praying, alone, in Bob's tent together? There is no other explanation that I can think of.

[ghost the direwolf]

no wonder. Now that exchange they had in the cript makes a lot of sense. all the talk about " you should not have berried her in the cript Ned... ........" all along  King B was talking about is love of the Ned. Lyanna is just the code they use.

[Silmarien]

ghost the direwolf, on 12 June 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

no wonder. Now that exchange they had in the cript makes a lot of sense. all the talk about " you should not have berried her in the cript Ned... ........" all along  King B was talking about is love of the Ned. Lyanna is just the code they use.

There's definitely something more to this "promise me" stuff than just Jon Snow....

[Lord Paramount of Essos]

they are just friends
You cant just gay up THE NED!!

[Lummel]

Lord Paramount of Essos, on 12 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

You people are sick  

Really?  We're not the ones desperately overcompensating for our faltering sense of heteronormative sexuality by having a continual series of bastards born as a result of drunken sex to shore up our fragile sense of sexual identity unlike a certain King we could be mentioning here.

[RhaegarTheRed]

Cmon people they were like brothers not gay lovers.

[RhaegarTheRed]

danm_999, on 12 June 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

New theory; Robert has Littlefinger murder Jon Arryn to bring Ned down to King's Landing.

Robert wanted to marry Lyanna because she was the closest socially acceptable look alike to Ned.

He asks Ned about his bastard's mother because he's making a hit list of all the ladies that have been with, or been lusted after, by Ned. Ashara Dayne did not jump from any tower, she was pushed!

It explains why Robert insisted on having a Tourney for Ned, and it explains why he wanted to go into the melee; he wanted to impress Ned.

Robert let the boar kill him, because he knew at this point he could never have Ned and life wasn't worth living.

B.S. you guys are reading way to into this.