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[Former Lord of Winterfell]

S John, on 15 June 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

I think its crazy-pants to chide the entitled 20 somethings of this generation who are having a hard time finding entry-level jobs with a decent wage.  Because who has those jobs?  The actual entitled kids who don't have to worry about the fact that their pay is shit!  The kids who actually have to worry about grown-up things like paying for stuff, can't afford to get started in their career and the reason is greed plain and simple.

We've clearly gone downhill from shitting in a bag, but I suppose threads rarely live up to their initial promise.

Anyway, I don't think anyone is chiding 20-somethings who can't find entry level jobs paying a decent wage.  The "chiding" that I saw from Chats was based on the idea that employers should pay more simply because some people need more.   So that kind of goes to your last sentence -- that's its "greed plain and simple."  Employers have to compete against other employers for customers.  If their wages are out of line, prices and costs are out of line, and so they lose business and don't have employees.  Theoretically, the way this problem gets addressed is to have more jobs to drive up wages.

But then, the private sector is doing fine anyway.  Rather than more private sector jobs, we just need to be giving more money to state and local governments so they can hire more employees.

[Dracarya]

Masonity, on 15 June 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

Exactly. I live in central London (so hardly a cheap place to live, although my rent is VERY reasonable), and I'd love to be offered £20k a year in a career that I might eventually make a lot more than that in. In fact, if I manage to get onto an in school teacher training program rather than going back to uni for a PGCE I will be making £20k / $30k that year.


As for not working while waiting for a CRB, I just had an 8 week wait for one myself. It's supposed to be 4. Still, it means that I can arrange to start volunteering at the local school again in a week or two.

Seems we're the only Brits here, and I have nothing to add to the conversation about DC So - Central London is extremely expensive, not to mention everything else that is ridiculously priced over here - petrol, food, clothes, public transport; everything seems to be getting more and more expensive. I'd much rather take a job in something I'm interested and can advance in, but life sucks, and so I'd prefer to be working while searching for the *perfect* job.

I'm on my 4th week now, according to the online tracking it's with the local police at the moment, so gods know how long they'll have it for. Kind of infuriating, because I know I told the truth about everything, but I can see why it's necessary. I just need to start working within the next two weeks so I can afford to pay July's rent. If not, I've gotta pack up my stuff and go home for the summer. Mooching off my mum for 3 months isn't my idea of a good time

All the best with everything, seems like you have a fair few options

[S John]

Chataya de Fleury, on 15 June 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Really?  You may see that, but I've seen people at entry level paying their own way who have made it work, either through managing expenses (including one with 6 roommates, though that is a little more than average) or managing revenues (a second job at The Gap on nights and weekends).

So you are fine with major companies, who have the money, paying college graduate entry-level people less than it costs to live in the place where they are asking them to live...  because they could simply work at the Gap on nights weekends?  What kind of asshole interviews people with that mentality?  You probably can't afford to take this job, kid, but good luck finding a different one with no experience!  

I'm not asking for a handout for anyone.  I'm only suggesting that the extra 5 or 6 grand a year for the lowest on the totem pole is not going to tank any business worth its salt.  The division manager may have to make sacrifices, like downgrading from the 'Sultan' to the 'Presidential' suite on his trip to Fiji this year.  If I wanted to hire someone for a position I don't see any way I could look them in the face and offer them a salary that I know they would struggle with unless someone was helping them.  Chats, I do get where you are coming from on this, but I don't understand why you are so adamant that its OK to treat your employees that way.  I'd rather have young talent happy to be at their job, not dreading their upcoming shift at Chick fil-a.

[Raidne]

What John is objecting to though is that parents supporting adult kids has gotten factored into the labor market which, IMO, should be as undesirable as any non-market factor worming it's way into a market decision.

Either way $30K is better than $0K so the unroommate is still a shitbag. Or deserving of one.

[Fez]

To get this thread back on track. I was at Target before work this morning to buy a bathroom scale and I just happened to walk by the food aisles and what caught my eye but a $3 bag of 12 frozen beef and bean burritos. I'll be ready come Monday night if she's not out.

(Hopefully she won't try to thwart me by eating them herself while I'm out of town for the weekend again)

[Chataya de Fleury]

Raidne, on 15 June 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

...parents supporting adult kids has gotten factored into the labor market which, IMO, should be as undesirable as any non-market factor worming it's way into a market decision.

Either way $30K is better than $0K so the unroommate is still a shitbag. Or deserving of one.

Agreed with both statements 100%.

[Ser Robin Hill]

When we can't even agree that someone who has no legal right to be there and who has already committed petty larceny, should be thrown out immediately, by force if necessary, we are doomed.  Forget the force.  Call the police and file a complaint.

[cancerman]

Just read through the thread and all I can do is laugh at the situation.

[Hereward]

Dracarya, on 15 June 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

Seems we're the only Brits here

That's because the Brits spend all their time in the public house instead of working.

[kairparavel]

Chataya de Fleury, on 14 June 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

He's seriously considered working in the oil fields of North Dakota.  Just to feel like a man who earns a good living.  He can still pay his half of the bills, since we really live quite frugally, compared to most people, so, no worries other than his disappointment with the fact that the recession hit him hard, and he takes it personally.

Maybe your sister should also consider living somewhere where her marginal salary will go further.

Maybe that generation should quit being so fucking whiny and make something of itself.  Or at least try, rather than squatting on a couch somewhere and running up credit cards.

Shit, pole dancing earns a good buck if you don't waste it all on blow.

Has Darling sent his resume out to Beefy Studs of America or whatever club is in your area? You know, all in the name of trying to feel like a man earning a good living?


I find it a little um, tasteless, to comment on a boarder's sibling in such a way that it's suggested, that being part of a generation, perhaps they should take up stripping. And avoid the blow.

Stay classy.



And good luck Fez.

[Dracarya]

Herekles, on 15 June 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

That's because the Brits spend all their time in the public house instead of working.

I resent that accusation. Too many generalisations flying around here!

[Sci-2]

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that being part of a generation

Have you thanked your elders for unsustainable use of energy, racism, homophobia, innumeracy, Cold War imperialism, and the rise of ignorant financial management on a macroeconomic level?

[Eponine]

Karitte Pedersen, on 15 June 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Has Darling sent his resume out to Beefy Studs of America or whatever club is in your area? You know, all in the name of trying to feel like a man earning a good living?

He knows he'd just waste it all on blow.

[heathergalaxy]

Ahhh DC group houses... I guess I technically live in one but it doesn't have that feel (y'know, things work and the landlords are responsive).

Yes DC is really expensive. It has all the Manhattan prices without any of its amenities. Our food and public transit are expensive and mediocre. That said, she could totally have made do with $30k a year... I made less than $20k when I came here for grad school. Did it suck? Yes. Was it doable? Yeah. A cheap studio here is like $1400. An inexpensive room in a basement far away from grocery stores or any place you'd want to be is about $800 a month. Oh DC.

It is within her right to turn down a job if she does not feel like it is a good fit. She is also able to live with the consequences of doing so like being kicked out of a place where she is not contributing and is not wanted. I've had houseguests overstay their welcome (and some that have stayed for a while but did not overstay), and it sucks to lay the law down but you really have to. There are squatters rights here in DC, which is why it's foolish for people to rent their basements without a lease... but most people don't pay these mind.  

Good luck!

[Chataya de Fleury]

Karitte Pedersen, on 15 June 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

Stay classy.

Stay bitchy

I was just pointing out that there are many ways to make ends meet.  Not making a specific comment to a boarder.

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

Chataya de Fleury, on 15 June 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

Agreed with both statements 100%.

I just don't see how it is possible under almost any system to have parental support of children not be a factor.  Kids who can live with their parents into their 20's will have more disposable income, more ability to save, etc., then kids who have to be out on their own.  Or, to take a job that pays less.  Adn there's all the other myriad ways parents can help their kids.  But there's really nothing that can be done about that, so I don't really see the utility of the point.  Kids who receive parental support have advantages over kids who don't.

Edited by Former Lord of Winterfell, 15 June 2012 - 11:18 AM.

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

Fez, on 15 June 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

To get this thread back on track. I was at Target before work this morning to buy a bathroom scale and I just happened to walk by the food aisles and what caught my eye but a $3 bag of 12 frozen beef and bean burritos. I'll be ready come Monday night if she's not out.

(Hopefully she won't try to thwart me by eating them herself while I'm out of town for the weekend again)

I'm waiting with baited breath for the "Housecrasher with terrible gas who wouldn't leave thread."

[Relic]

Chataya de Fleury, on 15 June 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Stay bitchy

I was just pointing out that there are many ways to make ends meet.  Not making a specific comment to a boarder.

like giving head on the corner?

[kairparavel]

Chataya de Fleury, on 15 June 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Stay bitchy

I was just pointing out that there are many ways to make ends meet.  Not making a specific comment to a boarder.

There's no need to pig in lipstick your response to me with a smiley.


There are many ways to make ends meet. Going to a brick and mortar type job. Selling stuff on ebay. Selling crack on a street corner. However, any suggestion I might make to someone would be based on my audience and situation. And I'd probably add ranges of advice that didn't cliff dive from 'move to a new area' to 'take off your clothes for money'. But that's based on my reality, which isn't the bubble world you draw your ideas from.

Plus, there's a tonne of college grads out there with useful degrees. They can't all be strippers can they? And they can't all move around the country. That would really send the pole dancing population in some areas out of whack, don't you think?

Edited by Karitte Pedersen, 15 June 2012 - 11:25 AM.

[IheartTesla]

Universal health care would make employers pass on all those health care savings in the form of wages to the employees.

There, the thread descent to boring is complete.