Snowman93, on 17 June 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:
Well in my eyes Jon's mother has to be 'someone' of importance seemingly because Jon is such an integral part of this story and it simply hasn't been cleared up and with all the secrecy. If it was just some girl that Ned Stark met while at war then why wouldn't he tell Jon that. It wouldn't be hard to have a quiet minute alone and talk to him rather than never say anything and let Jon go to the Wall while he goes to the complete other side of the Kingdom. Also, if Ned hadn't died in KL then it would've been at least a couple of years before Ned and Jon could've seen each other.
Anyway I am a firm believer in the R+L=J theory mainly because of the intrigue of Ned's thoughts concerning Lyanna in the Tower of Joy and those recollections by Barristan about the Harrenhal Tourney and the queen of love and beauty scene. However my main reasoning behind believing this theory is that Jon 'knows nothing'
about his mother and that Ned is pretty sensitive about the subject with Catelyn and Robert, also big question of why was there 3 members of the KingsGuard including its Lord Commander 'guarding' a kidnap victim throughout the war while Rheagar took 3 with him to the battle of the trident and only the youngest of the KG Jaime Lannister was left alone to defend the the King, Queen, 2 princesses and a baby prince. What could have been so important about Lyanna Stark that 3 KG were stationed in the TOJ to 'protect/guard' her?
Going along with that Lyana was found on a bed of blood. Sounds like childbirth to me, Jon is just younger than Robb is he not(someone help me out on this one) but the are both classified as almost 15 at the beginning of AGOT. So Ned got Catelyn pregnant then went to war and almost instantly broke his marriage vows and sired a bastard. Seems to me that the likelihood of Jon being conceived by Ned practically straight after marrying Catelyn and siring Robb just doesn't fit very well, especially with Ned's character.
Just something on the possibility of Ashara Dayne being Jon's mother. Going back on how Jon and Robb are very close in age, how would Ned get Catelyn pregnant then get Ashara Dayne pregnant within 2-3 weeks. Unless Jon was a few weeks late and Robb was a fair bit early I don't see how Ned or Brandon Stark could've sired Jon with Ashara Dayne.
So just going on those points, personally for the story and the build up to mean anything Jon is the song of Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark.
Also believe that Lyanna was not kidnapped and went willingly with Rheagar whom according to Cersei made Jaime look like a stableboy and in AGOT Jaime is described as being the best looking man in the 7 Kingdoms and Rheagar did name Lyanna the queen of love and beauty in front of his wife and mother of his children and not to mention the rest of the nobility of Westeros. Quite a bit of a statement of affection
. Well just my 2 cents worth.
There are so many hints pointing towards R+L=J. For a start I could never believe a man like Eddard Stark, who had just wed a young Catelyn Tully, got her pregnant and rode off to war, would come back a year later with a bastard he had fathered. It was oh-so-not-Ned. He is so honourable (kind of family, duty honour)... but of course, during war, anything can happen. Even a man like him could have made a mistake. But there are further clues.
In book one, Ned often finds himself thinking of his dead sister, Lyanna. Somehow whenever he thinks of her, he always thinks of Rhaegar too. Of course one would think Ned blames him for her death, because he raped her etc. But he never insults him, never says anything against him (unlike his good friend Robert Baratheon). He respects him, in a way. When he thinks of Lyanna, he always remembers those words Promise me, Ned.
What could this possibly mean? Probably to keep her child safe from harm?
And Rhaegar, what about him? Well, he passed right in front of his wife at Harrenhal and crowned Lyanna Stark queen of love and beauty. He apparently kidnapped a year later and when the time came, left three men of King's guard to protect her in the tower of joy. He then fought at the trident and died, protecting the woman he loved...
could it be Elia? Not likely. She was far away in King's Landing and Rhaegar might have been married to her, but he probably never loved
her. Ser Barristan says: "I know the prince was very fond of her." Fond.
Then of course Lyanna was found "in a bed of blood"... died in childbirth in her bed.
Also, in book one, Robert tells Ned (I can't find the exact quote): but Rhaegar won, he had her.
Finally, there's Benjen, the little brother who suddenly "ran off" to the wall, right after the war for some unknown reasons. Ben and Lyanna were the younger children of Rickard Stark. Might have been quite close. In the tourney at Harrenhal, who was the knight of the laughing tree? Ben? Lyanna? Or both... it is quite probable they shared secrets, secret plans too? Ben might have known all along, better than Ned and mostly before Ned. When she died, he might have blamed himself and/or disagreed with Ned on his plans for Jon's safekeeping.
Ok, sorry for the exceptionally long post xD I just had to write this...