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[kairparavel]

Newsun, on 18 June 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE LEAST PAINFUL WAY TO KILL A GUILTY PERSON.

Easy Cappy.

If they're guilty, why does it need to be done humanely?

[Shryke]

Deathwalker, on 18 June 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Whatever happened to letting the punishment fit the crime?

I love it when they just admit it's about inflicting suffering.

[Marie August]

Karitte Pedersen, on 18 June 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Easy Cappy.

If they're guilty, why does it need to be done humanely?

Because we want to be a humane society? I don't know. I just think that even if someone is guilty, there's no point in torturing them on their way out of this life. I'd prefer for us to be better than that.

[Shryke]

ΜινΝτόννερ, on 18 June 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

And that is why your scenario is bollocks. We might as well be debating how humane it is to use the Avada Kedavra spell for execution purposes.

Do we know if Avada Kedavra is painless? It's not like anyone is around to testify to it's humaneness.

[Newsun]

Karitte Pedersen, on 18 June 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Easy Cappy.

If they're guilty, why does it need to be done humanely?

That's what the OP decided! And because most people would rather have someone who's going to die die relatively easily rather than painfully.

[Marie August]

Shryke, on 18 June 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Do we know if Avada Kedavra is painless? It's not like anyone is around to testify to it's humaneness.

Harry Potter is. And he can tell you that it is not painless.

[Newsun]

Shryke, on 18 June 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Do we know if Avada Kedavra is painless? It's not like anyone is around to testify to it's humaneness.

What happens when the executionee has a mother who loves him very much? We should use other death row inmates as the executioners, just in case...

[Castel]

Marie August, on 18 June 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Harry Potter is. And he can tell you that it is not painless.

Minor canon problem, Harry never got hit by a real AK. The one rebounded, and the other was fake, yet painless.

[peterbound]

Newsun, on 18 June 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

That's what the OP decided! And because most people would rather have someone who's going to die die relatively easily rather than painfully.

I'm glad we are doing what all the op's are doing now!  If an OP decided you should jump off a bridge, would you do it?

[Marie August]

Castel, on 18 June 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Minor canon problem, Harry never got hit by a real AK. The one rebounded, and the other was fake, yet painless.

The scar on his forehead gives the indication that it hit him at least a little bit.

[Castel]

Marie August, on 18 June 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

The scar on his forehead gives the indication that it hit him at least a little bit.

Or it just glossed over him? Or Lily's protection left the scar? This is magic after all. If we want evidence, the closest we can come to is Voldemort, who claimed it was horrifying pain, but even then,we don't know if that was the spell or the enchantments he cast on himself to prevent himself from dying which later forced his soul to go on without a body.

[Howdyphillip]

I think that it is fitting that a thread dedicated to humanely killing someone is drawing discussions about Harry Potter...

They are both juvenile and fictitious.

[Pebbles]

Castel, on 19 June 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Or it just glossed over him? Or Lily's protection left the scar? This is magic after all. If we want evidence, the closest we can come to is Voldemort, who claimed it was horrifying pain, but even then,we don't know if that was the spell or the enchantments he cast on himself to prevent himself from dying which later forced his soul to go on without a body.

I don't remember the Ghost* of Lilly or James or even Cedric (who had just been killed) mentioning it was painful.  Although they may have had other things on their minds having just errupted from a wand.


*Ok so they wheren't really ghosts, but I don't know what to all them.

[Every]

The whole scar thing never made sense to me. Was it ever explained why it was a lightning bolt? Or why he was scarred at all? Did the AK only kill him a little bit, just a small amount of skin in a very specific place? Did his mother love all of him except his forehead (maybe she thought it was too big, or kind of bumpy...)?

[Castel]

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I don't remember the Ghost* of Lilly or James or even Cedric (who had just been killed) mentioning it was painful.  Although they may have had other things on their minds having just errupted from a wand.

I think they were impressions taken at the moment of the spell casting so their knowledge is limited to the events right before their depth. But who knows? Either way, telling Harry about a wretchedly painful experience while he's in a battle of wills trying to avoid it is not the best idea.

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The whole scar thing never made sense to me. Was it ever explained why it was a lightning bolt? Or why he was scarred at all? Did the AK only kill him a little bit, just a small amount of skin in a very specific place? Did his mother love all of him except his forehead (maybe she thought it was too big, or kind of bumpy...)?

Welcome to Harry Potter, where questions only lead to more questions.

[Mentat]

Roose Bolton, on 17 June 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

To repeat: you protect society by locking someone up where they can do no more harm. Contrary to popular belief, the justice system isn't actually about vengeance.

S John, on 18 June 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

I would say that it is - at least a little bit - about punishment, though.  Not just rehabilitation or preventing further danger to society.

What the justice system is (or should be) about, is a fascinating discussion.

It definitely is about punishment, deterrence, rehabilitation/reinsertion and protecting the general public from rogue elements at the very least. People tend to disagree on the relative importance of them too.

To answer the OP's question, knowing I was going to be executed would surely provide me with a considerable amount of anguish. If someone decided I had to die, I'd rather they hired a hitman to blast my head to smithereens with a sniper rifle than having to await a formal execution (painless as it may be).

[Mentat]

peterbound, on 18 June 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

I'm glad we are doing what all the op's are doing now!  If an OP decided you should jump off a bridge, would you do it?

Though I'd say some topics of discussion are tasteless or even offensive, surely stating that point of view can be done in one post without having to spam the thread? (AKA: "I think murdering people is always inhumane. Moreover, I think this discussion is morbid and tasteless.") Otherwise it should be  up to the mods to decide what subjects they want discussed in these forums and how.

I still remember a fascinating discussion on which of the characters in Dragon Age: Origins was more attractive that was rudely hijacked by people talking about apples. If you can't geek it out in a fantasy novel message board where can you, I ask?

[Masonity]

I'd definitely say Nitrogen "gassing".

Once an inmate is led into the airtight room, they should be given a distraction. A book to read, a movie to watch, and album to listen to, whatever they like.

A random time delay is introduced, so in 2 minutes or 2 hours the gas will be released silently, or with the sound covered up by some other always on apparatus. Maybe a constant air in/out system would be in place, that only needs to switch to nitrogen only.


The victim wouldn't know they were being killed at that precise moment until they became so drowsy they passed out.

[Castel]

Masonity, on 19 June 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

I'd definitely say Nitrogen "gassing".

Once an inmate is led into the airtight room, they should be given a distraction. A book to read, a movie to watch, and album to listen to, whatever they like.

A random time delay is introduced, so in 2 minutes or 2 hours the gas will be released silently, or with the sound covered up by some other always on apparatus. Maybe a constant air in/out system would be in place, that only needs to switch to nitrogen only.


The victim wouldn't know they were being killed at that precise moment until they became so drowsy they passed out.

This would be terrifying, the wait, I mean. Can't you just knock them out and then bring them in?

[Luzifer's right hand]

If the nitrogen is nearly pure the concentration difference kinda pulls the oxygen out of you and you pass out after one or two lungfuls.
I work in a chemistry plant and know someone who has tried it(a rather stupid stunt) because he did not believe that and they say he passed out in an instant but started breathing again immediately after they pulled his head out of the container he put it in(the pure stuff does not mix that quickly with air). He says he did not feel a thing.
Years ago another guy killed himself just with a nitrogen hose and a plastic bag.
I dunno about execution but it's certainly the way to go If you want to kill yourself.