oierem, on 02 July 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:
Yeah, but having Tyrion accused of killing Joffrey in season 4 can create new interaction scenes in a new context. In the book he is ignored by everyone, but in the show he can be visited by pretty much anyone. Jaime could visit him, Oberyn should visit him several times, Tywin, Marggaery, even Varys.... The new context offers more possibilities for added scenes,in which Tyrion could try to get some help.
And yes, even in your possibility is streched out, but the new situation allows new storylines to happen, even if Tyrion is featured less. And of course, they could have Tyrion killing Tywin in episode 9 and him arriving at Pentos in episode 10.
I firmly believe that season 4 should include more material from AFFC/DWD than just Dorne and Iron Islands. Theon cannot be missing for more than one season (IF he isn't in season 3), Brienne of course needs to start her storyline, and if Tywin is killed before the finale, we can have a Cersei/Jaime scene in episode 10 from AFFC. Arya should get to Braavos before the season end, and Dany's story should be as advanced as possible (as it's been said, it's just IMPOSSIBLE to keep her in Essos for 6 seasons), Bran does't have any other material for season 4 (all his chapters from ASOS will be in season 3). As for the Wall, we should see Sam leaving, and if they have Janos Slynt as a significant bad guy for Jon in season 4 (since they need to beef the storyline up) the season could end with Jon killing him (the scene in which JOn is elected commander isn't visually significant, IMO, a beheading, a la Ned Stark (having decided to keep his oath...) would be more appropriate).
All of these things could happen whith the PW in S4, and it would create a greater sense of continuity between Tyrion's trial. While the PW and the RW are thematically linked. The PW and Tyrion's trial is plot linked which I feel is more important.
I agree with many of your decisions on moving plots forwards, but the main plots should be given their SOS climaxes for S4. Tywin killed by Tyrion, Dany taking Meereen, Jon elected LC. Arriving at Pentos and executing Slynt are dramatic but not game changers. The symbolism of Jon executing someone is just as powerful in the middle of a season as it is at the end.
oierem, on 02 July 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:
The audience doesn't care about how faithful the books are, nor should they. They should only care about the story, and if the pace is too slow, they will be bored by the story (Dany's story, for example). I think they should keep the pace the show already has, no more no less. I don't want to see endless travelling scenes, no matter how detailed were in the books.
So, if there are no suitable finales in AFFC/DWD, how do you suggest to handle the next seasons? Do you accept that they will have to move the story around considerably more? Should they cover seasons 5 and 6? (and in that case, how should season 5 end?)
(my personal opinion is that season 5 should cover the remaining of AFFC/DWD and possibly the beginning of book 6. Most of the plots don't have enough material for two seasons).
I did not mean slow down the plot. I am fully looking forward to the fast pace of SOS adapted on screen. I meant the little intricacies they wouldn't otherwise have time to include. The different sellsword companies, the more colourful members of the NW etc. It won't all make it in but a bit of extra flavour could really enhance the feel of the series.
As for the season progression: I believe that S4 should take us to the end of SOS with some aspects such as subplots from AFFC and ADWD moved here as well to maintain a sense of continuity. S5 would encompass all of Feast and most of Dance, ending with Dany flying off on Drogon. A lot of the duller parts of these books can be trimmed, compressed and cut to create an action packed season. S6 could take up the rest of Dance and the first part of TWOW up until the battles of ice and fire which were the intended climaxes for Dance anyway.