Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:57 PM
Black Crow, Uncat, Lummel, others... no need to quote all of your comments...
<<I was in the middle of the 2nd to last paragraph and I almost lost everything by my backspace key turning into a shortcut for the back button on my browser. I hate it when that happens. So many good posts have been lost that way. I have to remember to type these in a document first...>>
Where were we... ah, yes.
So historians grapple over the landing date of the Andals... specifically as to whether it was 4,000 years ago or 2,000 years ago... Rather than coming to the conclusion that every one of those historians is in fact wrong, isn't it far more likely that there are varying dates on the Andal invasion because there were different invasions! They couldn't have invaded every region of Westeros at the same time. There are huge geographic roadblocks that would almost certainly necessitate a seperate invasion/landing. They may have landed in the Vale 4,000 years ago, but the Vale is largely isolated from the rest of Westeros, save a Mountain pass or two.
Is it not more likely to think that while they landed in the Vale 4,000 years ago, they may have then made it down through the crownlands 3,750 years ago, then tried to invade the North 3,500 years ago, then being rebuffed, went for the Riverlands 3,250 years ago, then the Westerlands 3,000 years ago, then the Reach 2,750 years ago, then the Stormlands 2,500 years ago, Outlying islands 2,250 years ago, and then the far Southlands (And Oldtown) 2,000 years ago.
(((Or simpler still, Middle 1/3 of Westeros invaded ~3,500 years ago, and the bottom 1/3 invaded ~2,500 years ago.)))
That long drawn out invasion which I just came up with on the fly seems infinitely more likely than every single person in Westeros - from the Grand Maester down to the thickest headed horse muck shoveller -being completely wrong about their history. There may be uncertainty as to when the Andals invaded where, but I don't see anyone considering that all estimates are wrong and it in fact happened 1,000 years ago.
If you want to try and transpose that to R + L = J.... which, let me preface by saying is comparing something very macro to something very micro (You can confuse people when the information only has one or two or even ten sources, but when the sources are several million pairs of eyes and ears and the brains to remember, the ability to achieve universal deception goes out the window)....it would be like while almost everyone has narrowed it down to some combination of Rhaegar, Ned, Lyanna, Ashara, Wylla with a reasonable degree of confindence, we find out that in fact his parents are Paxter Redwyne and a tavern wench from Duskendale. I know you had a different point...namely that none of what we've been presented is correct... but for that to happen with the history... EVERY SINGLE person with a first-hand account of the Andal invasion would have to be either silenced, fed a fake story that they believed, or be a co-conspirator in the cover up.
It's just not possible for such a vast cover up. Even if the 'writers' of history steer belief in that direction.... Do you think people like Old Nan got her information & stories from a book written by a Maester ? Of course not.
You can not universally erase oral history like that, I'm sorry. It's not burning a book. You'd have to get to every single person. If your version of events was correct, someone would remember. Alot of someones, actually.
AND If you somehow find fault with the above argument, as I said previously, if there secretly was only a few hundred years worth of events between the Andals landing and the Targs landing, Bran would've realized that in short order from his weirwood time travelling.