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[Bronn's Tyrion]

I don't know if anyone has brought this up before but I was reading R+L=J the other day and it occurred to me that the timing is a bit off.

For instance GRRM said that Jon was about a year older than Dany, and he said that Dany was born 8 or 9 months after the sack of King's Landing.  

But if Jon was born at TOJ he would have been almost a year old when Ned came around unless it took him no time to get to Storm's End and brake the siege.

Also I thought in one of Jamie's POV chapters we find out that Dany was conceived the night after Brandon and Rickard were murdered, which was BEFORE the rebellion.

[Dragonfish]

Dany was not conceived during Brandon and Rickard's murders. She was born nine months after her family's flight to Dragonstone, which, according to one of Jaime's chapters in ASoS, took place right after the Trident. This means she was conceived somewhere around the Trident/Sack. And since Jon was born around 8-9 months before Daenerys, that means he was born sometime around the Sack of King's Landing, and would have been a newborn when Ned found him.

[Bronn's Tyrion]

Well why did GRRM talk about blood in her bed when she died in Ned POV at TOJ.  He obviously was already born.  So did she kill herself? Did one of the KIngsgaurd kill her?

[Dragonfish]

Bronn, on 19 June 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

Well why did GRRM talk about blood in her bed when she died in Ned POV at TOJ.  He obviously was already born.  So did she kill herself? Did one of the KIngsgaurd kill her?

No, Ned most likely arrived at the ToJ relatively soon after Jon's birth, and Lyanna probably died from complications due to said birth.

Edited by Dragonfish, 19 June 2012 - 09:15 PM.

[Bronn's Tyrion]

Okay GRRM said in an interview that Jon was 8 or 9 months older than Danny. So if Danny was born 9 months after the Trident, Jon must have born right after the trident or a within the next month.  So we as the reader have to assume that it took less than a month to get to KL than go to SE WITH AN ARMY then go to TOJ?

[Dragonfish]

Bronn, on 19 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Okay GRRM said in an interview that Jon was 8 or 9 months older than Danny. So if Danny was born 9 months after the Trident, Jon must have born right after the trident or a within the next month.  So we as the reader have to assume that it took less than a month to get to KL than go to SE WITH AN ARMY then go to TOJ?

Ned didn't necessarily bring an entire army with him to the ToJ. And note that GRRM said Jon was born 8-9 months before Daenerys or "thereabouts," meaning there is some flexibility in the timeline.

[Bronn's Tyrion]

No but he had to bring an army to Storm's End to lift the siege there

[Bronn's Tyrion]

Also could someone find me a link to the interview where GRRM talks about their ages

[Faint]

Bronn, on 19 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Okay GRRM said in an interview that Jon was 8 or 9 months older than Danny. So if Danny was born 9 months after the Trident, Jon must have born right after the trident or a within the next month.  So we as the reader have to assume that it took less than a month to get to KL than go to SE WITH AN ARMY then go to TOJ?

Keep in mind you're talking about an author who, if you really analyze the time-line, has actually had characters move back in time as well as having characters like Catelyn undertake journeys in days that should have taken weeks. In other words, the time-line is by no means accurate.

[Dragonfish]

Bronn, on 19 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

No but he had to bring an army to Storm's End to lift the siege there

True, but Storm's End is in relative close proximity to King's Landing.

Bronn, on 19 June 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Also could someone find me a link to the interview where GRRM talks about their ages

Here.

Edited by Dragonfish, 19 June 2012 - 09:27 PM.

[Bronn's Tyrion]

Thanks it just has been bothering me for a few weeks, I am in the middle of another reread.

[Bronn's Tyrion]

Thank you Dragonfish

[Jem]

Bronn, on 19 June 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

Well why did GRRM talk about blood in her bed when she died in Ned POV at TOJ.  He obviously was already born.  So did she kill herself? Did one of the KIngsgaurd kill her?

A 'bed of blood' and 'the bloody bed' are metaphors in Westeros for the child-birthing bed. The bed doesn't necessarily have to literally be bloody (though there was probably some blood in Lyanna's case, Ned remembers smelling it. It is likely Lyanna died of puerperal fever sometime - possibly up to a week or so - after giving birth).

I believe that in Westeros society, a person in bed suffering some other type of bleeding wound (eg stab wound) would not be considered or referred to as being in a 'bed of blood' or 'the bloody bed' because these phrases refer exclusively to child-birth and the recovery period afterwards.

[Black Wolf Smith]

I think it was stated the Dany was made after her brother died at the trident (for a spare heir) and her mother was sent to Dragonstone soon there after. Then Tywin came in right after that and sacked KingsLanding, Ned showed up the same day, where he found out that his sister was a TOJ and him and 6 men raced to TOJ where he found her.  If you believe the R + L = J it would fit perfect (except for travel time between places which does seem to change often)

[Maxpey]

Black Wolf Smith, on 20 June 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

I think it was stated the Dany was made after her brother died at the trident (for a spare heir) and her mother was sent to Dragonstone soon there after. Then Tywin came in right after that and sacked KingsLanding, Ned showed up the same day, where he found out that his sister was a TOJ and him and 6 men raced to TOJ where he found her.  If you believe the R + L = J it would fit perfect (except for travel time between places which does seem to change often)

Ned did go to Storm's Landing to lift the siege between the time he left KL and arrived at the TOJ. But I don't think this detour impacts the accepted timeline.

Edited by Maxpey, 20 June 2012 - 10:44 AM.

[Sam Huxley]

It wouldn't take long for Ned to race down to Storm's End and brake the siege, because as soon as they got their the Tyrell's and co. all bent the knee because they realised they had lost, that is when Ned found out about the Tower of Joy and raced up their with his friends, so the timeline would fit quite well I believe, especially seeing as they would have travelled quickly, and was Dany born on Dragonstone, or on a trip from Dragonstone to Braavos, when they realised that people were going to betray them to Robert?