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[gryphon strike]

Holafernando Torres, on 25 June 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

I can't even imagine the amount of public outrage this would cause if it passed into law. There is no way that this is going to happen although it might be good if it did. This is the kind of straw that breaks a camel's back and causes them to act differently.

I wish I could say you are right but all these asshats worry about is their own profit margin, mind you can you imagine the number of requests coming in for permission to sell something? The companies are either going to do a blanket no way policy or they will need heaps of employees to handle the permission requests.

[Raskolnikov]

Then what should I do with me auntie's Shania Twain and Air Supply CDs?! Wreak global havoc and upload em to Bit Torrent methinks.

[ThinkerX]

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I can't even imagine the amount of public outrage this would cause if it passed into law. There is no way that this is going to happen although it might be good if it did. This is the kind of straw that breaks a camel's back and causes them to act differently.

This would be where everybody, including the agencies responsible for the policing, just completely ignore the 'law' and do it anyhow.  In this era of budget cuts and shrinking services, how would it be enforced?

[Gillio]

Dear Copyright Owner

I plan to sell a thingy at 10.00 am tomorrow.
Get back to me by then if you have a problem with that.

Ta

Gillio

[lupis42]

ThinkerX, on 25 June 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

This would be where everybody, including the agencies responsible for the policing, just completely ignore the 'law' and do it anyhow.  In this era of budget cuts and shrinking services, how would it be enforced?

Selectively - just like most malum prohibitum laws.

[Inigima]

Gillio, on 25 June 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

well. if i cant resell something, i'm going to expect it will cost a lot  less on initial purchase.

Hahaha that's adorable.

[Reposado]

Inigima, on 26 June 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:

Hahaha that's adorable.

actually, in the long run, it will. you don't think demand drops when a significant part of the value to the purchaser has been taken away?

[Chaldanya]

That would be charity shops out of business then.

N

[Eloisa]

Lanza Rota, on 26 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

actually, in the long run, it will. you don't think demand drops when a significant part of the value to the purchaser has been taken away?

But supply will also drop (as resupply is part of overall supply), so the scarcity factor will push up prices.  I think.

[Inigima]

Lanza Rota, on 26 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

actually, in the long run, it will. you don't think demand drops when a significant part of the value to the purchaser has been taken away?

Not when you don't have any other options!

[lupis42]

Inigima, on 26 June 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

Not when you don't have any other options!

The thing about IP is, ignoring the copyright completely is always an option.  Or "cannibalizing resale value pushes people away from the DVD collection and towards BitTorrent".

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Sounds like they want to push for a world where everything must be purchased "new".

[Frog Eater]

The return of the barter system is where this law would take us (for used goods). Flea markets could become barter houses.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

I am not sure I understand this. If the copyright holders win, then they need to give permission to REsell an item? Lets take GRRM's Game of Thrones for example, as we all know that. If I want to sell my copy of say, A Storm of Swords, I would have to first seek permission from HIM/ the copyright owner? Or the copyright owner would get a percentage of that sale?

Bad proposed law, if I understand it correctly.

[Tormund Midgetsbane]

US Copyright law is so fucking stupid to begin with that this is just a drop in the bucket.  J.R.R. Tolkien has been dead for 40 years and his youngest son is 87, yet "The Hobbit" won't enter the public domain for another 20 years.  Making copies of something and giving them away is illegal.  The "public" servants should be fighting for the "public" domain, but there's no money in that.

This will be one more thing that everyone ignores, while the MPAA and RIAA sue teenagers and schoolmoms into bankruptcy and further paint themselves as the Sheriff of Nottingham to everyone.

[Shryke]

Lanza Rota, on 25 June 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

because government control of what can and cannot be sold is a major tenet of capitalism.

Copyright is pretty much pure capitalism. It turns an idea into a product.

[Which Tyler]

RWHamel, on 25 June 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

If you break U.S. law even though you're in the U.K. prepare to stand trial. They will extradite you, and your country will hand you over. So the short answer is yes.

So what you're saying is that the USA IS the whole of the world?
So a UK citizen, living and working in the UK, and never having been to the USA, and doing absolutely nothing in relation to the USA... has to obey US law?
I think not somehow.

Edited by Which Tyler, 27 June 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[lupis42]

Which Tyler, on 27 June 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

So what you're saying is that the USA IS the whole of the world?
So a UK citizen, living and working in the UK, and never having been to the USA, and doing absolutely nothing in relation to the USA... has to obey US law?
I think not somehow.

Tell that to Richard O'Dwyer

[Merentha]

lupis42, on 27 June 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Tell that to Richard O'Dwyer

You know, I didn't know this person or any specific event similar to this case, but somehow, I was sure that it was happening or had happened.  I hate being right.

[RWHamel]

Don't forget Hew Raymond Griffiths.

or Gary McKinnon.