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[Kittykatknits]

Lady Hodor, on 26 June 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Ramsay.... Ramsay Bolton was... He had some... There was... His state in... No, no, no sorry, it cannot be done!

I'll help you out...

He seems to love his dogs and from all the evidence available, probably loved his mom too.

Other than that, I got nothing.

[Selyse's Moustache Rides]

Sansa is very pretty.

[Keep Shelly in Athens]

The slave foreman in Astapor was just an average guy trying to put a roof over his family's head and fend off the greedy debt collectors who would kill his family if he didn't pay them back. He didn't necessarily enjoy his job as foreman, but in a society that revolves around slavery he was grateful for the opportunity to earn money at the local Unsullied factory.

Here in Astapor, you were either a slave master, foreman for the slave master, or a person being enslaved. As the front-man to the trade, he had to endure the entitlement of sychophants who couldn't raise armies on their own talents. Sometimes he felt like a slave himself, especially when confronted with customers like Daenerys Targaryen, who commanded her dragon to melt his eyeballs into puddles of goo - indeed, who deserves such an agonizing fate when they are just trying to make an honest business transaction?

He had also worked tirelessly, day and night, turning independent thinkers into chattle. No easy task, yet Daenerys just waltzed in on her hypocritical high horse and stole them. She was no better than the rest of the haughty aristocrats who thought they could conquer worlds and ride the moral high ground while doing it. It galled him how little respect people had for his profession since they only saw the end-product of his brainwashing techniques. He would never get an ounce of credit for helping them take back their petty "birthrights". Not even the slaves could appreciate how their master provided for them. Couldn't they see that what was good for them was also good for Astapor, the dear city that he loved?

(Had to embellish a bit here)

Edited by Keep Shelly in Athens, 26 June 2012 - 01:19 PM.

[Lyanna Stark]

K, Victarion is really and honestly sad for his dead wife and it's an extra tragedy that he felt bound by honour to beat her to death himself. He really cared for her, although she was only a lowly born salt wife and not even a real one, yet to him she really was more precious. Since then he has not even considered taking a new wife since like Tywin, he does not do things by half measures and he cannot find it in himself to love someone like the lost salt wife.

(Are you proud of me Winter's Knight? )

[Lady Arianne Martell]

I'll take Sansa.

Sansa was raised to be who she is.

Her mother, septa, etc. all WANTED her to be a naive pretty girly-girl. She was never expected to be anything else and it was what she was asked to be all her life. So when things started to go awry and ruin her image of things she acted foolishly BECAUSE it was her ONLY way of holding on to her identity. Destroying the romanticism, would destroy who she is for her. This is why she told on her father, she still believed in what her mother and septa always told her, that people would love her always, that she would be treated well, etc.

Sansa is still holding on to that beautiful dream, as unrealistic as it is, because its the only thing she can cling on to that reminds her of Sansa Stark.

Just like Arya hid Needle to remind her of who she is, Sansa has her dreams. That is what separates her from Alayne.

Yes she's made foolish decisions, but who in this novel hasn't? She's a sweet girl, and all she wants is her family back. She know values them all so much more than she did.

[Dearmad Mactíre]

Walder Frey. Ultimately the scorn of all other familes, not respected, just used for 'The Crossing.' That damned crossing was probably more of a curse. His children could not seem to get anywhere

When Robb betrayed him he had no other option but to do what he did, and Catlyn too. Also to be in alliance with the Lannisters could benefit his huge family.  That is all, anyone care to elaborate its all yours!

[Winter's Knight]

Lyanna Stark, on 26 June 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

K, Victarion is really and honestly sad for his dead wife and it's an extra tragedy that he felt bound by honour to beat her to death himself. He really cared for her, although she was only a lowly born salt wife and not even a real one, yet to him she really was more precious. Since then he has not even considered taking a new wife since like Tywin, he does not do things by half measures and he cannot find it in himself to love someone like the lost salt wife.

(Are you proud of me Winter's Knight? )

Very! Now do one for Petyr Baelish.

[Keep Shelly in Athens]

Here's a short one.

Randyll Tarley just wanted a son he could be proud of.

(why is that I can defend a slave owner in Astapor better than this guy?!)

[Tewks44]

Joffrey was born believing he was heir to the throne.  His whole life he was taught that he was to inherit the seven kingdoms his father had ruled over.  Yet on the day of his father's death the previous hand of the kind publicly denounced his claim to the throne, for reasons young Joffrey should never have been exposed to.  Of course the boy was angry and lashed out often, because he was facing disgusting rumors about his birth, and had people all over the place trying to denounce his rule.  Oh, and his whole life the man who he thought was his dad neglected him as he was flung further and further into alcoholism...

[Kittykatknits]

Keep Shelly in Athens, on 26 June 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

Here's a short one.

Randyll Tarley just wanted a son he could be proud of.

(why is that I can defend a slave owner in Astapor better than this guy?!)

Also, he poured lie on a whore to avoid spreading the pox. This shows his great concern for public health matters.

[Lyanna Stark]

Petyr Baelish is one of Westeros few self made men. In a society where power and wealth are dictated by birth, Petyr has managed to claw his way through sheer ingeniousness from the lowest rung of the nobility ladder to the absolute top rung. On the way he has amassed a significant amount of wealth and contacts.

Unfortunately, his youthful idealism was smashed by Hoster Tully and the way too conservative Catelyn Tully, who didn't realise that Petyr's undying love was worth more than her duty to whatever random Stack she was currently betrothed to. In fact, poor Petyr loved Cat so much he not only fought a much older and bigger man to the death for her, but he made do with Cat's sister Lysa, since even a pale image of the real thing is better than nothing. Now that is true love if there ever was one.

Currently Petyr is out of the kindness of his heart protecting Cat's only remaining daughter Sansa Stark, who he selflessly snatched from out of Lannister clutches. He is also plotting to either kill or otherwise remove that vile dwarf Tyrion Lannister from the forced marriage to Sansa, and means to marry her off to Harry, a comely nobly born lad with a claim to the Eyrie, which would surely make Sansa very happy since she loves pretty men and gallant knights more than anything. He also went out of his way to defend Sansa from his own wife, the Lady Lysa Arryn, although it meant he had to make up a terrible story and sell it to the Lords of the Vale later. All of it only in Sansa's best interest, of course.

[Keep Shelly in Athens]

Lyanna Stark, on 26 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Now that is true love if there ever was one.

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Currently Petyr is out of the kindness of his heart protecting Cat's only remaining daughter Sansa Stark

That "currently" is great - it reads like Littlefinger's curriculum vitae as written by Littlefinger.

[Winterfellian]

Lyanna Stark, on 26 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Snip

You forgot he has a fresh breath mint

[Woman of War]

Melisandre, ah Melisandre!

I must say that you know how to dress, your style is impeccable! Red hair goes so well with white skin and that ruby at your throat.... Exquisite! You don't overdo it, any different colour aspect would ruin the concept, thank R'hollor for contact lenses. Try nail polish "a Redder Shade Of Light"
And you have very clear ideas about life: compromise is weakness, mercy is failure. You are determined to save the world, a little bit of sacrifice only strengthens the willpower. Everything that does not kill makes us stronger and everything that does even more.
You are where the light is and the light is where you are. Who cares about some murderous shadows when it's for the greater good! You hate the sinners, why should you bother to hate the sin? You burn them all and R'hollor will sort them out!  Red supremacy! Life is too short for compromise and Evil lurks everywhere!

Edited by Woman of War, 26 June 2012 - 01:51 PM.

[Maria Underfoot]

Daario is a very impressive figure, both on the inside and the outside.
He has exquisite taste, as the golden tooth that sparkles in the sun and the three blue beard prongs prove.
He has very skillful fingers, and is very interested in fashion, as we can see from his loud, fine garments.
His eyes have the special ability to undress women.
He must be a skillful lover, for he has slept with thousands of women-  he gets extra points for getting Daenerys all hot and bothered-
He is very adaptable and good at finding solutions -when he disagrees with someone, he simply cuts off their heads-

Haha great idea

Edited by Maria Underfoot, 26 June 2012 - 01:57 PM.

[Winter's Knight]

Lyanna Stark, on 26 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Petyr Baelish is one of Westeros few self made men. In a society where power and wealth are dictated by birth, Petyr has managed to claw his way through sheer ingeniousness from the lowest rung of the nobility ladder to the absolute top rung. On the way he has amassed a significant amount of wealth and contacts.

Unfortunately, his youthful idealism was smashed by Hoster Tully and the way too conservative Catelyn Tully, who didn't realise that Petyr's undying love was worth more than her duty to whatever random Stack she was currently betrothed to. In fact, poor Petyr loved Cat so much he not only fought a much older and bigger man to the death for her, but he made do with Cat's sister Lysa, since even a pale image of the real thing is better than nothing. Now that is true love if there ever was one.

Currently Petyr is out of the kindness of his heart protecting Cat's only remaining daughter Sansa Stark, who he selflessly snatched from out of Lannister clutches. He is also plotting to either kill or otherwise remove that vile dwarf Tyrion Lannister from the forced marriage to Sansa, and means to marry her off to Harry, a comely nobly born lad with a claim to the Eyrie, which would surely make Sansa very happy since she loves pretty men and gallant knights more than anything. He also went out of his way to defend Sansa from his own wife, the Lady Lysa Arryn, although it meant he had to make up a terrible story and sell it to the Lords of the Vale later. All of it only in Sansa's best interest, of course.

Lord Littlefinger's Lash would be proud.

[Black Wolf Smith]

All Hail Ye Winter's Knight Word Smith of Westeros,
This is great both as topic and essay.

Randall Tarly,
Randall was raised that black is black, and white is white, there is no grey!
He fought hard to save the Targ's from the uspure Robert. He won the only battle the Targ won, but did he get credit no. And yet he was on the losing side. He did his job.

He did his duty, made an heir, a trueborn son but at last, he was unsuited to be an heir. Samwell was a craven, fat, and lazy. He tried to teach the boy to be a man, but the boy and his mother would have none of it. All that craven would do is read, and eat. He wouldn't/couldn't learn the sword, He tried and tried but to no avail. So when he had a 2nd son, a trueborn son that should that he could learn to be a real man, what choice did he have? Kill the craven or send him to the wall. (maybe they could make him a man)

When war broke out, he followed his leige lord, First to Renly, and later to Joff. When the fighting was over(well kinda) he was to keep the kingspeice/kings law around Maidenpool, that's what he did. Harsh times demand harsh punishment. A man steals from a Sephton, take 6 fingers, but leave the thumbs.

In regards to the "Lady" of Tarth, she's trying to be a man, which she can't do. She will get herself or someone eles killed on the battlefield. That is no place for a women! Better for to get raped by outlaws, so she will run home, then get a knight killed on the battlefield.  

[Winterfellian]

Victarion:

Dear Victarion is a seriously misunderstood character. First of all he was born inside a culture that glorifies pillage and murder as a way of living. It is not his fault he wasn't born in Oldtown or Highgarden or some city like this. Still, Victarion is the type of man who when given lemons makes lemonade so he strived hard to make the best of the siuation and this resulted inn his becoming one of the most fearsome captains of the Iron Islands.

As a kid he was often the center of jokes of his older brothers and what is worst the poor lad didn'teven realized he was being mocked until his brothers started laughubg. But as he grew older he learn to forgive and forget this insults and is dutiful to all of them

After Balon's failed rebellion Victarion moved on with his life until one day the Drown God send him a blessing in the form of a beautiful girl he decides to take as salt wife, a great honor. His sudden happiness was abruptly cut short when his brother Euron slept with said salt wife and even put a baby inside her belly. Torned by grief Victarion forces himself to commit a double murder and beats the woman to death killing also the child. He felt every blow but still kept on knowing it was the only thing that could salvage his face to the rest of the Ironborn. Another disadvantage of being borned under such cruel culture. As a tribute to the Drown God who had gifted her to him in the first place he fed her body to the crabs so that what is left of her flesh can go back to the sea. I think the sentimental aspect of his persona is what might have prompted this last act.

When his brother Balon died Victarion tried to claim the sea stone chair for himself, but was beaten again by his brother Euron. As the dutiful brother that he is he served under Euron even when he commanded Victarion to set sail and bring him the most beautiful woman in the world to be his bride. Now tell me, after all Victarion has suffered, his humilliations, the lost of his salt wife, the sexual frustration resulting from this last, is it wrong for him to covet this dragon queen for himself? I say no. If anything am glad to see Victarion set free from the ties that bond him to Euron.

And so it is that this paragon of duty; this bull of a man is now in search of the Dragon Queen. This beautiful woman that will be a deserved compensation for all the wrongs he's suffered. Like a prince from a fairytale that sets sail to ask for the hand of the princess bearing gifts so does Vicatarion goes forth to Daenerys Targaryen bringing ships, a dragon horn and countless of monkeys all for her.

[Helgar]

This is an awesome thread!

Okay... Walder Frey.

In Westeros it isn't very easy to be one of those Houses that rivals a Great House. There is constant tension between you and your overlords and at the end of the day you must always do what your overlord says, no matter what. But Walder Frey had turned House Frey into a great and powerful House by himself. He put the Twins on the map and made them a significant force. As a man he was ruthless and never forgot. He never forgot what House Frey was when he became its lord. He never forgot what other lords said about him, even before he showed his duplicity. He never forgot that his own overlord branded him with a humiliating nickname because he was reluctant to rebel against his rightful king. He never forgot that despite all his best efforts, House Frey was treated with disgust and scorn by everyone - Stark, Tully, Lannister, everyone looked down at the Freys.

But Lord Walder was a survivor. He was a cautious man because he didn't want to unmake all he had managed with hard work. In all the great conflicts of the realm, Walder Frey stayed absent if he could avoid it, out of fear for what might happen to his House.

So incomes Robb Stark, promising to wed a Frey girl if Walder lets him cross the Twins and helps him in the war. Once again, Lord Walder is asked to rebel against his rightful king. He is very reluctant - and who can blame him? He is asked to war against the terrifying Tywin Lannister - and even in the Neck they know the fate of Castamere and Tarbeck Hall. But this time Walder resolves not to be the cowardly man. He makes an accord with Robb Stark and calls his banners for the wolf! The Freys join the Starks in the war against the Lannister tyrants. Lord Walder risks everything - he risks his head, the heads of his heirs, the obliteration of his House - by trusting in Robb Stark. And Robb betrays his trust - the honorable Lord Stark, very much his father in mind, goes back on his word despite all the Freys that have died under a Stark banner, and brings shame and humiliation upon House Frey. And the Freys risk facing destruction for fighting for a king who can't even keep his word... a king who is swiftly losing the war.

On cue arrives a letter from Tywin Lannister. Tywin offers to pardon Lord Walder if he helps him take the man who shamed his House out of the picture. Walder hears Tywin's idea, hears about the Red Wedding. But he knows he has no choice. What is he to do? Turn Tywin down? Keep fighting for a king who betrayed them, a king that is losing the war? Bring doom itself upon his own House for some hollow ideal of honor, when his own overlord could not honor a simple pact? So he agrees to do the Red Wedding. He rationalizes that he's doing it for the better of his House, that he's saving the Freys from extinction, that their actions would right the wrong that was done against them, that it is the only way. And so when Robb Stark comes to the Red Wedding, Walder, ever the faithful vassal, does Tywin's bidden and forever brings shame upon the name of his House - a cursed accord, but the only thing that would save the Freys from the fate of the Reynes and Tarbecks...

Robb Stark spoke of honor even as he lay with some other girl, then married her, and to hell with the Freys. And why not? Why should the mighty Starks care about what the Freys think? When has any of the Great Houses given a fig about the Twins?

[Archibald Norrey]

Lord Hoster Tully did all that was expected of him.  A powerful lord with two willfull daughters and a simpleminded son, he was all a lord should be.  He was kind, if we are to believe Cat. He was honorable, as we see when he sides with Robb in rebellion. He was generous, fostering a ward far beneath the nobility of his house.

He could not have understood in his youth that from his loins would spring the seed of war and the downfall of his house. How could he have known, given the limitted westerosi understanding of genetics, that his children would grow to be inept, deceitful, and murderous.

When he decided to wed, rather than take the black or forge a maester's chain, he could not have known how many other great houses and great men would be brought low by the fruits of his choice.  Alas for the Starks, the Arryns, and the Tullys.  How could he know how much better off the realm would have been with the Blackfish as the ruler of Riverrun?

So I stand in defense of Hoster Tully.  He knew not what evil he loosed upon the great and small of Westeros.

Edited by Archibald Norrey, 26 June 2012 - 03:17 PM.