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[StarkWhite]

Look, I've tried to find some redeeming qualities about this girl but she's pretentious, nasty, and selfish - some might argue traitorous to her family. Now of course my conversations regarding the series is limited to two other people but I assumed based on our conversations they feel the same way. I suppose it's why I was so surprises to find so many Sansa fans when I found this site. What's the deal?  Is it pity?  Because that's the best I can do for her. She's not interesting in any way in my opinion.  Don't get me wrong; I hope she safely reunites with what is left of her family but beyond that I really don't care what happens to her. The best storyline I expect from her is the (highly anticipated) participation in Littlefinger's demise.

[ElizaMartell]

Nope. But thanks for sharing your opinion. I'm sure in some universe its rather unique.

[Dr. Pepper]

I don't usually look forward to Sansa's chapters, mostly because I'm usually more interested in what's going on around other characters.  I'm uninterested in Dornish characters, but I don't think they are useless. I think it's a gross misunderstanding for a reader to conclude that Sansa is useless or helpless or traitorous.

Try these threads to start forming a basic understanding of Sansa's character.
http://asoiaf.wester...s-all-the-time/
http://asoiaf.wester...inking-sansa-v/

[PatrickStormborn]

Sansa is flawless. H8ers to the Wall.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Me overhere!

StarkWhite, on 27 June 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Look, I've tried to find some redeeming qualities about this girl but she's pretentious, nasty, and selfish - some might argue traitorous to her family. Now of course my conversations regarding the series is limited to two other people but I assumed based on our conversations they feel the same way. I suppose it's why I was so surprises to find so many Sansa fans when I found this site. What's the deal?  Is it pity?  Because that's the best I can do for her. She's not interesting in any way in my opinion.  Don't get me wrong; I hope she safely reunites with what is left of her family but beyond that I really don't care what happens to her. The best storyline I expect from her is the (highly anticipated) participation in Littlefinger's demise.

I think she is more Tully that she ever was a Stark. She didn't deserve a wolf. A spoiled brat waiting for her white knight to save her. This is not Starkish. She knew where Jon was. She could escape Eyrie and go to him. Boring, snob, obnoxious and useless.
Who would be so dumb to forget who really is? Who would be so dumb not to escape KL? Who would be so dumb letting herself be used by someone?

Like mother like daughter.

[deadphoenix]

I wouldn't say she is pretentious or nasty...she mostly seemed like she was extremely naive in the beginning. Sure she wasn't the nicest to Arya but siblings fight, that is not a big deal. And yes she did some stupid things like trusting people she shouldn't have. I wonder where she got them from (cough...Ned...cough).

I like Sansa and it isn't out of pity. She has grown as a character and it will be interesting to see how her story in the Vale plays out. And I fully expect her to have some part in the endgame as well.

[StarkWhite]

ElizaMartell, on 27 June 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

Nope. But thanks for sharing your opinion. I'm sure in some universe its rather unique.

Thanks for the intelligent, cognitively significant response. Perhaps I thought being new to the site I'd express my opinion and for that I sincerely apologize.

[Wouter]

Not many people call Sansa nasty, considering how kind she is compared to most other characters in ASOIAF (like the Lannisters who used to surround her, or now LF). Helping Dontos and Lancel alone, in KL, are 2 examples of Sansa being the very opposite of nasty. A very interesting character and I hope things will go better for her now.

[ElizaMartell]

Jon, on 27 June 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Me overhere!


I think she is more Tully that she ever was a Stark. She didn't deserve a wolf.

Sorry, I didn't realize direwolves were a type of pokemon that could be dispensed when people are deemed 'worthy' enough to receive them.

I also like your indepth understanding about Tully and Starks which aren't based on misunderstood notions about family traits but are wise words plucked from indepth analysis of the books. I love how you backed your opinions with evidence and no ad hominem attacks whatsoever.

Edited by ElizaMartell, 27 June 2012 - 06:36 PM.

[Wouter]

PatrickStormborn, on 27 June 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

Sansa is flawless. H8ers to the Wall.

Patrick, from "flawless" to useless, pretentious, nasty and selfish is quite a leap. I hope you can at least admit that Sansa is not a character the average reader will associate with being "nasty", especially not in a world filled with thoroughly nasty characters (who are also far more selfish in many cases)?

[Dr. Pepper]

Jon, on 27 June 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Like mother like daughter.

Sansa is much more like Ned than like Cat.

[ElizaMartell]

Dr. Pepper, on 27 June 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Sansa is much more like Ned than like Cat.

She has red hair which means she's like Cat. Duh! I know this through my learnings.

[Housefires]

I grew to like Sansa. In AGOT she was intolerable because of how delusional she was, but by the end of that book and the beginning of the second she began to grow into a far more interesting character.

However, I do think the main strength of her chapters has always been her perspective of the events surrounding more interesting characters like Cersei, Joffrey, Tyrion, and Littlefinger.

Edited by Housefires, 27 June 2012 - 06:39 PM.

[butterbumps!]

StarkWhite, on 27 June 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Thanks for the intelligent, cognitively significant response. Perhaps I thought being new to the site I'd express my opinion and for that I sincerely apologize.

There was a recent maelstrom of anti Sansa and Cat threads, so there's been a lot of angst on both sides.   I'd strongly recommend the second link Dr. Pepper gives, and some of its predecessors as well.    Sansa's arc is pretty subtle, and those thread really get into some pretty interesting aspects of Sansa's evolution.  Personally, I like Sansa a good deal, and I believe that her story is far more similar to Arya's than initially meets the eye  (and yes, she is very Nedlike as well).

[ElizaMartell]

StarkWhite, on 27 June 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Thanks for the intelligent, cognitively significant response. Perhaps I thought being new to the site I'd express my opinion and for that I sincerely apologize.

Well if you are going to say a character like Sansa is nasty, traitorous and selfish when characters like Gregor, Ramsey and Walder are floating about then people will react to your statement accordingly. Others can express their opinion too you know.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

ElizaMartell, on 27 June 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Sorry, I didn't realize direwolves were a type of pokemon that could be dispensed when people are deemed 'worthy' enough to receive them.

I also like your indepth understanding about Tully and Starks which aren't based on misunderstood notions about family traits but are wise words plucked from indepth analysis of the books. I love how you backed your opinions with evidence and no ad hominem attacks whatsoever.

Well thank you! That is so nice of you!

I like that you can understand the fact that people tend to have different opinions and that different people can comprehend the same facts with different ways.
cheers !

edit typo

Edited by Jon's Queen Consort, 27 June 2012 - 06:42 PM.

[The Northern Scholar]

Jon, on 27 June 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Me overhere!


I think she is more Tully that she ever was a Stark. She didn't deserve a wolf. A spoiled brat waiting for her white knight to save her. This is not Starkish. She knew where Jon was. She could escape Eyrie and go to him. Boring, snob, obnoxious and useless.
Who would be so dumb to forget who really is? Who would be so dumb not to escape KL? Who would be so dumb letting herself be used by someone?

Like mother like daughter.

I'm curious, how do you expect her to escape King's Landing?  She's a rather noticable person surrounded by people who mean to do her harm.  It's not like she could wake up one morning and decide to waltz up to the Wall like it's a evening stroll.

[y ddraig]

Sorry, sweetie, queen Sansa will rule the damn place when the series is finished.

[Lady Kraken]

She's my favorite female character, with Arya and Brienne being close seconds. I think she's compassionate, capable of great bravery, intelligent, and a survivor. I actually think she's far more like Ned than Catelyn. I wasn't particularly enamored with her in AGoT, but I've loved watching her learn and grow, and I think her story has been one of the most interesting and realistic of the series. Her story actually parallels very closely with Arya's, if you look carefully. There are plenty of other threads concerning this issue in which I've responded in more detail, perhaps you could do a quick search and seek one of them out? The Pawn to Player threads have some good insight, though there are lot of them. You are more than welcome to your opinion, of course, but maybe you'll find something more you can admire in her in one of them, who knows?

Edited by Lady Kraken, 27 June 2012 - 06:45 PM.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

The Northern Scholar, on 27 June 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

I'm curious, how do you expect her to escape King's Landing?  She's a rather noticable person surrounded by people who mean to do her harm.  It's not like she could wake up one morning and decide to waltz up to the Wall like it's a evening stroll.

She could leave with Sandor.