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[Sir Omkar]

Jaime - I know that there are a lot of Jaime fans here. But lets face it ,
a ) He's broken probably every oath he's ever taken.
    b ) He nearly killed Bran
c ) He is as responsible for Tywin's death as Tyrion making him a kinslayer.

Tyrion - I actually like Tyrion.
However the little dude has no real allies, most people want him dead. He's accused of regicide, guilty of patricide but most of all he's a fucking Lannister.

The Lannisters will pay their debts.

Edited by Sir Omkar, 09 July 2012 - 02:37 AM.

[Garlan Marius]

I mean, they probably will, if GRRM can bring himself to do it.  Jaime's being taken into a trap by Brienne with the BwB, and Tyrion's in the middle of another battle, surrounded by disease, with his best hope being a girl-queen who loathes his family.  I don't particularly wish my two favorite characters dead, but they are probably headed that way.  Valar morghulis.

[SerStinger]

There is no must in Westeros.

But I personally believe that yes, these two will have died when the series is over.

[Helgar]

Most people in the forums, including me, are certain that Jaime is going to die. Many think he'll bring Cersei down with him as he goes. I won't cry for either of them; saying funny things should not give characters a free pass with the readers, no matter how awful they are.

Tyrion is a different case. He still does some pretty awful things, but unlike the rest of the Lannisters, seems to have an abstract notion of "justice" that he tries to follow. Well, at least until the end of ASOS anyway. He is saddened when Theon takes over Winterfell, and when Bran and Rickon are seemingly killed, and he almost lashes out at his father after the Red Wedding, despite the fact that he should be relieved that he was rid of a dangerous enemy. He has a lot of redeeming qualities besides his acerbic wit and that is after all the reason he is not hated as much as the rest of the Lannisters. He's also GRRM's favorite character, but favorite characters don't matter to GRRM, and many people think Tyrion is going to die as well, but after he does something heroic.

Edited by Helgar, 09 July 2012 - 02:46 AM.

[Natalie_S]

Jaime is probably going to die and bring Cersei with him, IMHO.

As to Tyrion, I don't know... I hope he won't. I believe he'll make it to the last book anyway.

[Garlan Marius]

Helgar, on 09 July 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

Most people in the forums, including me, are certain that Jaime is going to die. Many think he'll bring Cersei down with him as he goes. I won't cry for either of them; saying funny things should not give characters a free pass with the readers, no matter how awful they are.

People, (at least myself and certainly others), don't like Jaime because he "says funny things."  They like him because he is attempting to redeem himself and grow.  They like that his most heroic act is the reason he is despised.  They like that he feels real.

[Sand Snake No. 9]

I think Jaime's death was foretold in his weirwood dream, the one that sent him back to get Brienne.

I also think that Tyrion will have to pay for killing Tywin.  GRRM keeps repeating how cursed kinslayers are and I don't believe he'd do so if he wasn't planning on killing off a few kinslayers, of whom Tyrion is the most prominent.

[The Hungry W0lf]

i think jamie will be cersei's downfall maybe at her trial vs robert strong as her death will come from her little brother. as for tyrion i believe he might be a targaryen bastard of aerys who loved joanne this would make it so tyrion is not a kinslayer and not cursed. i think he could be 1 of the heads of the dragon with dany and snow all 3 were the third born in their line ( if R+L=J) and all mothers died in child birth. And tyrions interest in dragons could make him a valid canderdate.

[SerStinger]

The only bad thing that Jaime is done is attempting to murder Bran, which makes him better than 99.99% of the characters.

[Pellaeon]

Sand Snake No. 9, on 09 July 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

I also think that Tyrion will have to pay for killing Tywin.  GRRM keeps repeating how cursed kinslayers are and I don't believe he'd do so if he wasn't planning on killing off a few kinslayers, of whom Tyrion is the most prominent.

Tywins last words were: "You are not my son" IMO GRRM gave us a hint that nothing happend to Tyrion in concern of Tywins death, I believe he stay alive, I don't see any story development wich could demand his death, Jaime on the other hand could die in the next book or not, he is a a character which is open to die

[Sir Omkar]

What is this prophecy about Jaime's death?

[Lyanna Stark]

SerStinger, on 09 July 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

The only bad thing that Jaime is done is attempting to murder Bran, which makes him better than 99.99% of the characters.

He attacked Ned as well, and was considering killing Arya when Cersei wanted it done. Jaime is by no means lily white.

Helgar, on 09 July 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

Tyrion is a different case. He still does some pretty awful things, but unlike the rest of the Lannisters, seems to have an abstract notion of "justice" that he tries to follow.

Unlike say Jaime as of ASOS and AFFC? Even if flawed and occasionally conceited, Jaime is trying to do the right thing. While Tyrion's moral compass is pointing squarely towards Casterly Rock, Jaime is also a Kingsguard and a knight, and he is really starting to take that aspect of himself seriously once he lost his hand. On the one hand, he's trying to be Tywin (with the threat of launching Edmure's baby over the walls of Riverrun with a trebuchet) but on the other hand, he is trying to save people's lives and to be as just as he can (saving Edmure's life, sending him off to Casterly Rock, promising a keep for Edmure's child, sending Brienne to find Sansa).

Interestingly, Tyrion married Sansa which fixed her within the Lannister sphere and locked her down, while Jaime means to find her and set her free, or take her somewhere safe, away from the Lannisters.

I'm not sure either Tyrion nor Jaime necessarily needs to die as such. At least not yet, since too much character development has been invested in both of them with Jaime's maiming and Tyrion's killing of his father.

Edited by Lyanna Stark, 09 July 2012 - 04:08 AM.

[chrisdaw]

I'll take Pod to kill Tyrion in a role reversal. They'd have used Bronn for that scene in the show if there was nothing more to it than what we so far know.

[David Selig]

I hope so, both are vile criminals who deserve death. And they whine too much.

[Sam2Sexy]

Jaime probably will.  He already lost his martial hand.  I'm not sure if he can even defend himself adequately.  He's defenseless on his own.

[Natalie_S]

chrisdaw, on 09 July 2012 - 04:28 AM, said:

I'll take Pod to kill Tyrion in a role reversal. They'd have used Bronn for that scene in the show if there was nothing more to it than what we so far know.

I think Pod will be relevant in Brienne's storyline, and they had to introduce him and show that he can be brave under pressure.

[Franz95]

Jaime will, of course. I don't think he will be responsible for Cersei's death (the prophecy speaks of hands, and wrapping a golden one around a throat doesn't sound easy) even if I hope it.
As for Tyrion, I'm not sure. If he dies, I hope he rides a dragon before leaving this world.

[the quiltmaker]

The Hungry W0lf, on 09 July 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

i think jamie will be cersei's downfall maybe at her trial vs robert strong as her death will come from her little brother. as for tyrion i believe he might be a targaryen bastard of aerys who loved joanne this would make it so tyrion is not a kinslayer and not cursed. i think he could be 1 of the heads of the dragon with dany and snow all 3 were the third born in their line ( if R+L=J) and all mothers died in child birth. And tyrions interest in dragons could make him a valid canderdate.

Very interesting...

I think that Tyrion will make it to the end, playing some important part in the outcome of the 7 Kingdoms. Maybe he will be King, he is George's favorite.

[Mulled Wino]

Tyrion die?   Why Even bother killing him now, its already a completd joke (jape?) that he's still alive.  Unless in some sort of peotic just he gets struck by lightning or killed in a shark attack.  


Jaimie should be killed immediately by uncat, but he wont be.

[rainsofcastamere]

i would argue that jamie will probably die before the end of the last book. one reason i think this is because he's been on like, a spiritual transformation...and i think this could happen when he finally gains the last of the humanity he needs to completely shed the former, before brienne jamie.

as for tyrion: i get the distinct impression that tyrion could be one, if not the one, of grrm's favorite character. i def think that grrm puts a lot of himself into tyrion, esp in the form of tyrion's wit and intelligence.