[Book Spoilers] The three swordsman that would stand a chance against Jaime Lannister?
Posted 28 July 2012 - 08:20 AM
Assuming that Jaime was talking about swordsmanship and not including other forms of combat, then I'd imagine he'd be talking about Barristan and the Cleganes. Oberyn seems to specialise in other weapons, and Loras is foremost a jouster. I don't expect he even knows who Bronn is (although I don't think Bronn is quite as good as some fans would suggest anyway) and the qualities of Garlan Tyrell seem relatively obscure even in-world.
Or, you know, Darkstar.
Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:03 PM
The Mountain That Rides
Ser Barristan Selmy
I think guys from the North like the Half-hand or Mance Raydar aren't even on his radar. He looks down on all Northerners and the Wall. And guys like Bronn he doesn't even notice. He's not like Tyrion... he's stupidly snobbish like his sister.
I think Brienne, Halfhand, Bronn, Mance and others could beat Jaime on a good day. I personally didn't like his lame little boast.
Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:15 PM
I don't think Loras is one of them because even though Jaime recognizes his skill (and that he is basically Jaime when he was younger) he never views Loras as an equal swordsman. He even tells him that he was stronger, faster and better at his age in Feast IIRC. And Garlan is described as the better swordsman of the two Tyrell brothers anyway.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:30 PM
Edited by Blutrabe, 07 August 2012 - 04:30 PM.
Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:30 PM
Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:25 AM
1. Ser Barristan (definitely)
I guess alternatively the Hound but in tv land I would think only those 4 characters
Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:28 AM
Posted 13 August 2012 - 04:07 PM
Would Jaime know about Donal Noye from before the wall? Guy killed a giant as a fat old out-of-practice smith... and he made Bob's hammer and fought in loads of battles.
I think Jaime had a certain respect for King Bob, otherwise he might've tried a little harder to defend his sister's honour (assuming Bob honoured her frequently).
Also, outside bet: Thoros - won the tourney, battles aplenty and first through the greyjoy wall.
Just thought of him now: Victarion - sailed into lannisport and burned the lannister fleet, so Jaime must have some idea of him, although whether this extends to his fighting skill is just a guess.
Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:11 PM
Ser Barristan Selmy
Does Jaime even know who Bronn is?
Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:19 AM
I would say definitely not.
It has to be 3 knights or well renowned individuals that he knows - and I would say at least 2 have to be mentioned on tv since Jamie said this on tv and not in the book
Posted 23 August 2012 - 12:34 AM
I would say the 3 are Selmy, and the Cleganes
Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:55 PM
Selmy, but he is quite old now. Although he is a great swordsman - he's over sixty In Westeros! (Age badly, no medicine.. etc).
Loras Tyrell - he has youth on his hands. Although Jaime isn't old yet (Only mind 30s), Loras is young and fit.
The Hound - Sandor might be able to. He has strength, agility and practice. But he's a large target. Still considered large next to his brother.
Posted 22 September 2012 - 11:54 AM
Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:43 AM
As for the other two...probably the Clegane brothers. Even Jaime acknowledges in ASoS that both Cleganes are stronger than he is...but with "speed and skill he could best them all." I don't think he was aware of Garlan's skill at the time so I would rule him out. And you have to evaluate what he says even more. He said they'd have a "chance", not that they could beat him. I personally feel that no one could beat Jaime prior to him losing his hand.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 06:47 AM
He was obviously very good in his youth. The whole thing that went down at the Tower of Joy attests to that. He at least went toe to toe with Arthur Dayne for a little while, at least holding him off until Howland Reed stepped in. I just disliked the scene in the show where he fights Jaime on equal footing. I don't believe that around the time GoT takes place that he can hang with Jaime anymore, but the show makes it seem like he can. I think a combination of old age and him being rusty deteriorated his skills to the point where he was just above average at that point.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 09:21 AM
It's also entirely possible that Jaime wasn't fighting to the best of his ability and was being more wary than normal. He's always been a little wary of Ned, ever since that moment with the Iron Throne, and he's aware that Ned is experienced enough not to fall for something like the trick he used to take out Jory. He also has no experience of watching Ned fight, so doesn't know if Ned has any particular favourite moves. Given a little longer, I suspect Jaime would have beaten him, but going toe to toe for a few blows isn't too unrealistic, I think.
Although for what it's worth, I always liked the ambiguity of the books, and how we can't assess Ned's capabilities because we never see him fight. The duel with Jaime kind of detracted from that, but I can see why it was felt necessary for television. Obviously, too, screen Ned is older than book Ned, but that's another adaptation issue (like TVStannis). In this context age means more experience as much as it means slower reflexes.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:01 PM
Two of the the three swordsmen are clearly Barristan Selmy and Gregor Clegane. I think it likely that Sandor Clegane is the third.
Wrt the battle with Ned, I didn't like how Ned and Jaime were sparring as equals - I think it would have been better if Jaime was having ever so slightly the upper hand, but it was still an awesome scene. That said, the scene wasn't implausible - the fight wasn't long and it's possible that Jaime was simply being careful and respecting his opponent as Adelstein said.
Adelstein? That sounds very similar to my name. It couldn't be Adelbert Steiner...could it?
EDIT: Probably not. Turns out Adelstein is actually a genuine name of an actor!
Edited by steiner, 27 November 2012 - 08:06 PM.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 09:07 AM