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[Arkash]

This is one of my post from another thread, but I'm posting it here to have your thoughts on it.

These are the remaning important characters that appear before the RW in Book 3 and may be cast.

Note: I am not a fanatic purist and have no problem with changes... just making a list:

Ramsay

: I guess they will cast him. GRRM said they will be revisiting Theon in S3 and they cant do that without Ramsay.

Vargo

: He was mentionned in the list of new characters D&D gave us a while ago and he is vital to Jaime's story. Having already Rorge, Biter and Qyburn proves we shall have the Bloody Mummers.

Val

: I dont think HBO will skip the most beautiful woman (imo) of the saga and she becomes more important later. And with probably Orell taking over the roles of many wildlings, I guess we shall need more faces beyond the Wall.

Dalla

: please, please, please, dont mix her up with Val ! It would ruin her character ! Val is fierce and wild, a warrior. Dalla is a mother, shy and quiet... not the same character at all !

Daario Naharis

: he was on the list and is vital to Dany's story.

Strong Belwas

: I wouldnt mind if this one was to be cut... never liked this character...

Grey Worm

: except if they put him forward only later, as in the books.

Slavers

: figured extras for a few episodes.

The Shavepate

: dont remember when exactly does he really appears in the books.

Mace Tyrell

: I really hope to have him this season. Nobody has talked about him, yet, I think he must be cast, alongside many Tyrell extras (Alerie, cousins and stuff) to show the grandeur of their House.

Night's Watch extras:

Small John and the renegades turning their cloak at Craster's Keep.

Hoster Tully

: like Jon Arryn, an already dead man when he appears. I hope Cat will get there in time for the funeral, that was a great moment in the book.

Tullys extras

: to show they are a great House: men at arms, captains, household...

Frey extras

: such a great house... and some big names: Black Walder, Jared Frey and others...

BwB extras

: except if Anguy becomes also Lem and Tom.

Mance

: obviously...

I guess

Oberyn

and

Ellaria

will be for next season... I still wonder how this gonna turn out: if the Purple Wedding is this season, what will be the pretext for the Dornish to show up only after it ? Well, let us wait and see...

[scurvy]

Vargo, Mance, and Ramsay are the only ones I see as truly needed for the main characters' stories to move forward and the expansion of the plot.  The others are merely side characters - the types frequently removed for the purposes of story telling on the show.

Vargo is needed b/c it can't be a Lannister who captures Jaime.
Mance b/c you need a King beyond the Wall
And Ramsay, as you've stated, b/c you need Theon's story to continue as they're not going to drop him for two seasons.

Unlike you I like Belwas.  If find him to be funny.  Not Tormund funny, but humorous.  That said, I don't see him as needed.  The introduction of Whitebeard can happen in all sorts of different ways.

[RobertOfTheHouseBaratheon]

<sub>I don't know how you can name extras as needing to be cast. You won't hear about them, their extras. They might be cast already for all we know.

Val won't be introduced yet, or if she is it will just be a named extra. She wouldn't be in it proper till season 5 and D&D showed with Ramsey and the Reeds that they don't want characters introduced before they become needed. Mance & Ramsey will be announced seperately as they are quite a big deal. Daario would not happen until season 4/5 Danny has to get the Unsullied first. I doubt Dalla is anything other than an extra either so you won't know when she's cast.

I can't wait to see the bastard, & I'm interested in seeing Mance as, I think I'm the only one, but I never liked his character in the book.</sub>

[Arkash]

Daario will be there this season, D&D confirmed it...

As for the rest, when I talk about extras, it is more like featured extras, characters with spoken lines, not silhouettes.

[Ferrum Aeternum]

I find Belwas to be an amusing character in the books but I don't believe he'll be cast, largely because he's a walking talking non-white stereotype which (post-Dothraki) is something D&D are trying to avoid.  His only act of great significance thus far in the books was his defeat of the Meerenese hero, which can either be omitted or accomplished some other way, possibly by Arstan.

Iv'e got a suspicion that Ramsay won't be cast until next season.  D&D are being silent on him, plus over the weekend at Comic Con there was an interview (don't remember whom, I read several) stating that the showrunners were "working on ways to incorporate Theon into season 3 a bit."  What this tells me is that they're trying to come up with a creative way to show the audience that Theon is still alive and give Alfie Allen a little screen time, without bothering to cast Ramsay just yet.

Casting Vargo is an abtholute mutht for this season, for reasons already stated.

Oberyn needs to wait until next season - there wouldn't be much for him to do this year other than, I dunno, talk to Tyrion?  He's an awesome character with a ton of potential, but the most important thing is to cast the role extremely well and they'll be more likely to do that effectively with a one-season deal.

Due to the Iceland filming schedule, Mance is liable to be the last major character we get casting news on this year just as Ygritte was last year.

[NomadicDirewolf]

vargo hoat, daario, mance and mace tyrell are the most important ones for this season. They could leave ramsay for another season imo, otherwise you'd have him doing nothing other than torturing theon, and that'd get slightly repetitive. I dont think they'll cast extras for those roles you said above, there were plenty of roles cast last year which werent as big a role but go cast anyway,the slavers in the cities of slavers bay, grey worm, the freys etc would fit into this category

[Arkash]

I really wonder for Mace Tyrell... I've seen quite nothing about him on the boards, either here or at WiC... no rumors, no speculations... I really wonder if they will introduce him or giving his whole part to Olenna, which would be a mistake, imo.

[Carne]

They didn't announce all the characters last week. HBO will definitely announce more over the coming weeks, GRRM will post casting clues and some minor characters will probably not be announced until we see the credits roll for whatever episode they may appear in.

[Oso]

I just hope Beric, Thoros, and Anguy aren't the only Brotherhood members in the show. Don't they kind of need Harwin to recognize Arya? Lemoncloak and Tom O'Sevens would be cool too.

[Lord Tyrion]

Oso, on 16 July 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

I just hope Beric, Thoros, and Anguy aren't the only Brotherhood members in the show. Don't they kind of need Harwin to recognize Arya? Lemoncloak and Tom O'Sevens would be cool too.

I agree; don't see the problem in actually casting Tom O'sevens and Lemoncloak.

[Peko]

Ferrum Aeternum, on 16 July 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Iv'e got a suspicion that Ramsay won't be cast until next season.  D&D are being silent on him, plus over the weekend at Comic Con there was an interview (don't remember whom, I read several) stating that the showrunners were "working on ways to incorporate Theon into season 3 a bit."  What this tells me is that they're trying to come up with a creative way to show the audience that Theon is still alive and give Alfie Allen a little screen time, without bothering to cast Ramsay just yet.

I don't understand how this would even be possible.  Theon's a captive at the Dreadfort, there's no doubt about it.  They're not going to show him sitting by himself rotting in a cell without giving him another character to interact with (i.e. Ramsay).  I'm positve the 'ways to incorporate Theon' are showing his torture and transformation into Reek firsthand.  It'd be great for tv and possible make the audience sympathize for a character they despised last season.

[Khal-a-bunga]

Lord Tyrion, on 16 July 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

I agree; don't see the problem in actually casting Tom O'sevens and Lemoncloak.

Except that that's two more actors which would need to be cast for relatively minor parts. So if you take into consideration the auditioning, the casting (which entails payment), the scheduling, the make-up and costuming, and the additional writing (time to establish characters, for instance), then it becomes a relatively complicated process for - again - relatively minor characters. I really enjoyed the both of them on my latest re-read of A Storm of Swords, but they're easily cut.

[Lord Tyrion]

Khal-a-bunga, on 16 July 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Except that that's two more actors which would need to be cast for relatively minor parts. So if you take into consideration the auditioning, the casting (which entails payment), the scheduling, the make-up and costuming, and the additional writing (time to establish characters, for instance), then it becomes a relatively complicated process for - again - relatively minor characters. I really enjoyed the both of them on my latest re-read of A Storm of Swords, but they're easily cut.

Good point, I guess that makes sense. I figured it'd be a cheap process on the basic side but never took into account the rest.

I just hope some major characters don't get cut.

[Ferrum Aeternum]

Peko, on 16 July 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I don't understand how this would even be possible.  Theon's a captive at the Dreadfort, there's no doubt about it.  They're not going to show him sitting by himself rotting in a cell without giving him another character to interact with (i.e. Ramsay).  I'm positve the 'ways to incorporate Theon' are showing his torture and transformation into Reek firsthand.  It'd be great for tv and possible make the audience sympathize for a character they despised last season.

I hope you're correct...it would in fact make for gripping television.

But the silence from D&D on Ramsay is deafening.  Maybe they're just holding out that surprise in their back pockets.

[Khal-a-bunga]

Peko, on 16 July 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I don't understand how this would even be possible.  Theon's a captive at the Dreadfort, there's no doubt about it.  They're not going to show him sitting by himself rotting in a cell without giving him another character to interact with (i.e. Ramsay).  I'm positve the 'ways to incorporate Theon' are showing his torture and transformation into Reek firsthand.  It'd be great for tv and possible make the audience sympathize for a character they despised last season.

Based on the audition video for Ramsay that was recently released (or, what is supposedly Ramsay), I can see Theon's story line playing out as a bit of a twist in the third season. Perhaps Ramsay wears the Iron Born armor taken from the men he had killed/tortured from Winterfell, and uses it to mess with Theon's mind. I only say so because of the line about Theon (?) wanting to see his father in the audition tape. I can see it as an attempt by Ramsay to make Theon "admit" to killing Bran & Rickon, and also to sacking Winterfell (maybe he'll even be 'coerced' into signing or writing a letter that states as much). Then, some time during the season, it's revealed that Theon is still in the North and not back at Pyke at all. Flimsy evidence for it, but I wouldn't mind if it was played that way. The only issue would be the time it would have taken Theon to get back to the Iron Islands, but that would also depend on the conditions he's kept in physically and mentally (which, knowing Ramsay, could be explained through extreme distress) while in the Dreadfort. It would also provide reasoning for why Maester Luwin didn't reveal the Bolton's treachery to Bran & Rickon (although I suspect he told Osha prior to having her put him out of his misery).

[Oso]

Khal-a-bunga, on 16 July 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Except that that's two more actors which would need to be cast for relatively minor parts. So if you take into consideration the auditioning, the casting (which entails payment), the scheduling, the make-up and costuming, and the additional writing (time to establish characters, for instance), then it becomes a relatively complicated process for - again - relatively minor characters. I really enjoyed the both of them on my latest re-read of A Storm of Swords, but they're easily cut.

Except that Tom and Lem were the BWB members that interacted with Arya the most right? They seemed to be more prominent than Anguy.

[Jolene Brown]

They will probably have Anguy do some of the stuff that Tom and Harwin did.  They may make Anguy from the North.  I wonder if they've picked sort of undistinguished/extremely minor members of the wildlings and BWB (Orell and Anguy) to make composite characters because they think it'll annoy us less to have them doing extra stuff?  Like, if Harwin was suddenly an archer and harpist, we'd be mad, but if Anguy is suddenly a northerner and harpist and archer, we won't care, because it's just Anguy?

[Frumpus]

I think Lemoncloak and Tom O'Sevens will be there, but they'll be played in a extra role. There are actually a lot of book characters who appear on the show in this way. Dareon and Fat Tom for instance.

As for the Ramsay & Theon audition scene, if that really is Ramsay, then I am really disappointed in the role they are giving him this season. Ramsay is a monster, but he's not the Tickler. Why would they make him torture interrogate, when he prefers to torture for pleasure?

I'd rather the character just be cut completely than ruined by being turned into a one bit torturer that is nothing like the book character.

Edited by Frumpus, 16 July 2012 - 02:32 PM.

[Khal-a-bunga]

Oso, on 16 July 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Except that Tom and Lem were the BWB members that interacted with Arya the most right? They seemed to be more prominent than Anguy.

Except Anguy can easily play the role of all three of them, essentially, just as either Tom or Lem' could have. It's about being concise and working within a limited budget, so why have three characters do what one could achieve? Why they chose to name the character Anguy instead of either of the other two names is anyone's guess, but we all have those weird characters who don't do much that we like and/or gravitate to, so it may just be something as simple as that.

Frumpus, on 16 July 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

I think Lemoncloak and Tom O'Sevens will be there, but they'll be played in a extra role. There are actually a lot of book characters who appear on the show in this way. Dareon and Fat Tom for instance.

As for the Ramsay & Theon audition scene, if that really is Ramsay, then I am really disappointed in the role they are giving him this season. Ramsay is a monster, but he's not the Tickler. Why would they make him torture interrogate, when he prefers to torture for pleasure?

I'd rather the character just be cut completely than ruined by being turned into a one bit torturer that is nothing like the book character.

I'm not sure why you would infer that he's torturing Theon for interrogation rather than pleasure, based on that audition clip. It's obvious that Ramsay isn't on the Iron Islands, and has surely had no contact with Balon Greyjoy, so much of that dialogue can be interpreted as Ramsay simply fucking around with Theon for "pleasure". You seem to be jumping to conclusions that don't have a lot of basis, especially since many of the audition scripts are not a part of the finalized script, and if they are, have been modified pretty extensively since that time (based on all of the audition clips I've seen, which include those for actors who did not get the part). I expect D&D will relish the opportunity to make a character more vile than Joffrey for the audience to hate.

[Jolene Brown]

I do hope they sort of separate out Lem Lemoncloak/the one eyed BWB guy and have a minor actor play them, because they represent the dark side of the BWB that will become important later.  I also hope we see at least a featured extra (do those have lines?) for Ned Dayne.  I mean, it's not only going to be Anguy, obviously, but I hope they take the time to characterize a couple of other guys, and not just have it all be silent extras standing/sitting around to add bodies to a scene.