The Raven Post... how would that work... exactly?
Posted 19 July 2012 - 06:10 PM
Okay so a raven's a big bird, and we suppose that in Westeros the ravens are a bit more... mmm... tameable than our local fellows. At least to the point where you can get them to fly someplace. Now if it were pigeons you've still got to transport the pigeons on the ground so they can fly back to the roost. But presumably these rookers have managed to train ravens to fly to predetermined locations. Certainly they will get food but maybe also some shiny trinkets or some such? (How do you train a raven?) Maybe Westerosi ravens are simply a domesticable subspecies that we don't have here.
In any case, somehow the training problem is overcome and now you want the raven to physically carry a note for you. For pigeons they made these little metal tubes that tied onto the pigeon's leg. A raven is a larger bird and could carry a correspondingly larger tube. How big though?
The scrolls that people are shown reading onscreen (HBO version) seem too big to me. A raven is not going to want to carry around a thing that big. I'm thinking the tube will hold a scroll maybe 2 1/4" long ( 57mm or so) and up to perhaps 1/2" (13mm) in diameter. So there would be special strips of paper the right width that would be prepared ahead of time for use in sending raven messages. And then some special adhesive stamps or seals to keep prying eyes from the message until it reaches the right person. And there must be space for an addressee. So it would be small but not ridiculously small.
And what would it cost? Goodness gracious, the infrastructure of training and feeding the ravens would involve a small group of several individuals at each post! Perhaps a castle could stand that cost as a basic service of the keep, but ordinary citizens could not, though they might occasionally wish to send such a message. If private parties... say shippers or tradespeople... wished to know relative prices of commodities at different ports around Westeros, they would certainly be willing to pay handsomely for this service... akin to Express or Overnight mail service. Communications is such a basic need that there would inevitably arise an entire infrastructure around the Raven Post. [img]http://www.shirepost...-4s-05.jpg[/img]
Could be fun!
Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:07 PM
I imagine GRRM used ravens instead of carrier pigeons because ravens sound cooler
Edited by Ser_Niall, 20 July 2012 - 12:14 PM.
Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:08 PM
Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:46 AM
This is true. If ravens are the quivalent of carrier pigeons, then each castle would have other castle's pigeons on hand in the rookery so that they can send messages there.
Reznak, overthinking things is what makes us rabid fans
Posted 21 July 2012 - 08:18 AM
Hi, my name is Tom and I'm an overthinker.
The group murmurs: "Hi Tom"
I'm here because I can't help myself. Stories are not "just stories" to me. As I read I build a model in my head and I have to know how things work. If there's no map I have to draw one. If there are special artifacts in the story I have to buy or make them. If there are passages that imply the existence of complex infrastructure, I want to know how it works. If nobody tells me, I have to work it out for myself. It's my curse. I don't believe in magic. It's too easy to just say... "oh it's magic". What we call "magic" is simply the result of a technology that we don't understand.
Sauron's ring? That's an easy one... that would have to be an extremely advanced nano-deposited megalayer electronic device with neuronal interface capable of interdimensional energy transferrence.
Daeny's ability to withstand fire? That's a bit tougher... A genetic mutation, conserved by natural selection and present in the Targaryen bloodline as a recessive trait, in which a proportion of carbon atoms in organic molecular structures may be replaced by silcon, forming pseudosilicones with higher vaporization temperatures. Combine with the abilty to shed excess heat by radiative cooling through the micropores in the hair or portalic transferrence.
Westeros Ravens are such an easy one by comparison. We don't even have to work hard to overthink that one! Some guys go around with crates of ravens and drop them off at castle rookeries from time to time. People come in and write their notes on slips of paper. The cost of service is based on the not-insignificant effort it takes to transport the ravens and maintain the infrastructure. Powerful people can bear the cost but most people can't afford it.
But I'm not here to try to quit my addiction. I'm an overthinker and proud of it. The day I stop overthinking will be the day I die.
Edited by Master of Coin, 21 July 2012 - 08:24 AM.
Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:36 AM
But GRRM doing just that kind of thing has inspired others here to do real things: a couple or ardent fans began replicating the foods of ASoIAF in real world terms, and voila, all of us now have a website and a nifty new cookbook that allows each of us to sample a taste of the imaginary Westeros, and beyond. The exact same thing inspired a guy to replicate the weapons of Westeros to further expand his and our connections to Martin's world, because food, weapons and, yes, (need I say it?) your very own tactile coins are all fun things to own--becuase they're all touchstones in keeping us connected, via our imaginations, to GRRM's world.
So you just keep overthinking stuff, Tom, and keep on producing imaginary coinage (and anything else that strikes your and GRRM's fancy), because anything that adds a little more to your enjoyment here in the real world will keep *our* imaginations fired in our shared experience with ASoIaF.
Edited by Ser Kennos of Kayce, 27 July 2012 - 12:45 AM.
Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:01 PM
Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:49 AM
Edited by Master of Coin, 30 July 2012 - 03:43 PM.
Posted 10 August 2012 - 06:27 AM
Well, I'm excited to advise that the raven post arrived safely, and apparantly un-tampered with!!
Thanks so much.
Posted 11 August 2012 - 10:13 PM
Thanks so much.
Good to hear it's arrived! I didn't expect it to be tampered with in the real-world mails. What I'm interested in... is whether you can open it and read it and then reseal it without leaving any obvious clues. If it's too easy to reseal then it's not sufficiently authentic.
Posted 11 August 2012 - 10:21 PM
Maybe a perforation along the middle of the stamp? Though then you'd spoil the raven bit.
This thing is so cool!!
Edited by Gillio, 11 August 2012 - 10:22 PM.