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[Corvinus]

damn good trailer

[Corvinus]

Mr. E, on 11 December 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

I checked again, and it's really not slow-mo. It's just the rocks and snow quivering in fear. But you see his cape suddenly flap about and it's in regular motion.



We won't know until we see the movie; so far they've used tunes from The Two Towers and Gladiator, so for some reason they're keeping the score pretty tightly sealed.

The music from this last trailer is not Gladiator, though it is performed by Lisa Gerrard. The song is called Elegy.

[Calibandar]

Nice trailer. So looking forward to this.

I'm not hugely interested in a Superman origin story to be honest, but it looks clear the film is coupling that to an awesome confflict as well.

It looks great, and already we see some impressive sequences. Superman vs Zod is a great match-up, no need for silly Kryptonite or irritatingly bad Luthor villains that ruins stories. Plot synopsis on IMDB makes mention of Superman fighting Zod's "army of robots", but I don't think we saw any robots in the trailer did we?

There's also a shot where we see a long haired male/female in a long coat standing darkly in front of burning skyscrapers, but I can't determine who it is. I thought it was Zod, but then I saw Shannon has short hair in this film. Maybe his wife.

[Nephrite]

Calibandar, on 12 December 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

There's also a shot where we see a long haired male/female in a long coat standing darkly in front of burning skyscrapers, but I can't determine who it is. I thought it was Zod, but then I saw Shannon has short hair in this film. Maybe his wife.

Probably Superman's mom watching Krypton exploding.

[Noroldis]

Loved the trailer (especially the music). I was pretty meh about the movie before, now I'm looking forward to it. Here's hoping it's more memorable than Singer's.

EDIT: Oh, and here's hoping that Lois Lane doesn't come upon Zod in a bathrobe and brushing his teeth. For me, that totally destroyed Lex Luthor as a credible dangerous villain in Superman Returns.

Edited by Noroldis, 12 December 2012 - 08:35 AM.

[Mr. E]

smallfolktypeperson, on 11 December 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Very well put...would love a link to that blog if possible.

It's in the post you quoted

sciborg2, on 11 December 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

I'd be curious to see the data that Superman is more popular in more downtrodden areas.

Apparently DC marketing keeps their marketing information pretty hush-hush, which unfortunately means we have to go on the word of FilmCritHulk here who "has a friend" in the marketing department:

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"SUPERMAN STILL REMAINS EXCEEDINGLY MORE POPULAR IN BAD INNER CITY AREAS"

Where did this information come from, HULK?

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/FRIEND WORKS FOR D.C. MARKETING. DEPT. CAN'T LINK TO ANYTHING CAUSE THEIR RESEARCH NOT PUBLIC.

Fortunately said blogger has given me no reason to believe that he's misleading anybody.

And then there are these couple of comments which I find fascinating; yes, they're anecdotal, but I've never understood the  disdainful dismissal of anecdotal evidence anyway:

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I don't know that one even NEEDS to see DC's research to "fact-check" this one - just look around. Outside of comic-specific fandom, the "icon" of Superman is significantly more popular with an "urban" audience than it is with... oh, hell, let's just call it what it is: Batman's 21st century audience is a lot WHITER than Superman's.

Go down to any mall/shopping-center in an ethnically-diverse city, find the shop/section that is (mostly) targeted at the "inner city" (read: African-American/Hispanic) demographic and look around for comic/superhero merch. The Superman "S" will be EVERYWHERE - hats, shirts, jewelry, licensed, unlicensed, it's inescapable. Batman? Not nearly as much, and what there is will usually be TDK-specific. Hell, know any tattoo artists? Ask them, demographically, who is more likely to come it to get the Superman Shield inked.

Is this, as HULK postulates, a result of that particular demographic being more likely to have a more direct relationship with mortality and fear of being overwhelmed by forces outside your control? I don't know, but it's a compelling premise. VERY compelling, in fact - I can easily imagine, a few years down the line, some fandom-article or college-essay with a title like "Superman Is Black" being one of those "pop-culture essay that becomes a big news item."

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YUP!. EVEN SOME MERE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE: SHAQ, DWIGHT HOWARD? ALL WORSHIP AT THE ALTAR OF SUPERMAN. AS DO A NUMBER OF OTHER FAMOUS AFRICAN-AMERICAN CELEBRITIES.

YET HULK NOT SEE THEM GETTING TATTOOS OF THE GUY WHO GOES AROUND THE INNER CITY BEATING UP THUGS. THAT A WHOLE DIFFERENT KIND OF FANTASY.

[Myrddin]

Corvinus, on 12 December 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

The music from this last trailer is not Gladiator, though it is performed by Lisa Gerrard. The song is called Elegy.

Actually, it's from Elizabeth: The Golden Age - Storm.

I does sound like Gladiator a lot, though. It'll be interesting what direction Zimmer takes.

[BigFatCoward]

this was a very pleasant surprise.  if i hadn't seen the trailer i probably wouldn't have bothered seeing it, so underwhelming was the last superman.  also superman is easily the most boring superhero.

[Ouroboros]

BigWeirdB, on 12 December 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

also superman is easily the most boring superhero.

You are unfamiliar with Hal Jordan.

[The BlackBear]

Just wait till aquaman the movie.

[Mr. E]

The BlackBear, on 12 December 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

Just wait till aquaman the movie.

As long as it's the guy in the New 52 I'm good with it.

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also superman is easily the most boring superhero.

There's this sentence again...is there something in the water?

Edited by Mr. E, 12 December 2012 - 09:48 AM.

[Noroldis]

Myrddin, on 12 December 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

Actually, it's from Elizabeth: The Golden Age - Storm.

Both you and Corvinus are right - the song in the first part of the trailer is Elegy, then Storm takes over.

[Myrddin]

Noroldis, on 12 December 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Both you and Corvinus are right - the song in the first part of the trailer is Elegy, then Storm takes over.

Good to know. Thanks!

[Sci-2]

@Mr. E: Well, I worked at a comic store and spent a good chunk of my life in and out of them as some of my best mates work in them. Some of my closest friends, from all walks of life, I met at comic stores.

Why I asked for data, 'cause it's showdown of the anecdotes! MUWAHAHAHA!

And I'll grant Batman isn't as a big name in some areas, and I sorta see the class lines that Hulk is talking about, but I don't see Superman making up the difference. Instead it's Wolverine, Spiderman/Venom, and Hulk that stick in my memory.

Not to say that the rich white guy who beats up thugs isn't a very urban fantasy, I'm with you on that. Just think Marvel heroes, with their more down to earth nature, catch a lot of the urban, inner city market IME.

[Mr. E]

sciborg2, on 12 December 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

@Mr. E: Well, I worked at a comic store and spent a good chunk of my life in and out of them as some of my best mates work in them. Some of my closest friends, from all walks of life, I met at comic stores.

Why I asked for data, 'cause it's showdown of the anecdotes! MUWAHAHAHA!

And I'll grant Batman isn't as a big name in some areas, and I sorta see the class lines that Hulk is talking about, but I don't see Superman making up the difference. Instead it's Wolverine, Spiderman/Venom, and Hulk that stick in my memory.

Not to say that the rich white guy who beats up thugs isn't a very urban fantasy, I'm with you on that. Just think Marvel heroes, with their more down to earth nature, catch a lot of the urban, inner city market IME.

I now have this odd urge to break into DC and Marvel and steal their marketing data, because I've become suddenly curious about this whole subject.

Edited by Mr. E, 12 December 2012 - 01:14 PM.

[alguien]

While writing Superman stories presents its only unique challenges, I think there are plenty of stories about him yet to be written.

[smallfolktypeperson]

Mr. E, on 12 December 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

It's in the post you quoted

Oops...lol...well thanks.
I get up really early and am usually half-asleep when I finally get a chance to visit this site ...I'll have to check it out.

[Lord Tyrion]

I thought the trailer was good. I think the actor remains to be seen as a great superman though. For some reason, I'm in the fence

[Selyse's Moustache Rides]

Eejit, on 21 July 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

They should have kept Routh on as Supes. The failings of Returns were in no way due to him, he was perfect as both Superman and Kent.
Cavill is also a little short for the role imo, Reeve, Welling and Routh were all >= 6'3". I always though Dean Cain was also a bit shorter than the character should be.

The problem is that it is a reboot. If you kept the same actor, people would be confused.

[Selyse's Moustache Rides]

Anyway, it has Goyer, the guy who writes most of Nolan's movies, as the screenwriter. Should be good.