32 replies to this topic

[chewy]

I think high, based on the whole born from a marriage night raping to spawn the pos Ramsay.  John will kill Ramsay at some point im also assuming, or mb the real Arya.

[Jolene Brown]

There's definitely a high probability that one of them is going to kill the other, I hope it's Roose killing Ramsay.

[Every]

I think Roose will kill Ramsay. I suspect that, although he seemed calm discussing it, internally he is really angry over Domeric's murder. I foresee bloody vengeance as soon as Ramsay ceases to be useful.

[Talleyrand]

Why is Ramsay in inverted commas?

[Pliskin]

Roose says himself that he has two options :
- keeping Ramsay as his heir, knowing that Ramsay will kill any legitimate son he has with his Frey wife in the future.
- getting rid of Ramsay, and waiting for a heir from his Walda, knowing that he is quite old, that he may die soon, and that a young lord is a very bad thing.

I don't remember exactly his dialogue with Theon, but it seems to me that he chose the first option.
So, I think it's very unlikely that he ends up killing Ramsay. But the other way is possible.

Edited by Pliskin, 21 July 2012 - 05:53 PM.

[salt]

Shouldn't "Bolton" be in quotes, not Ramsay?  I'm pretty sure his name is Ramsay, unless there is an awesome new crackpot theory I don't know about.

[Jolene Brown]

I agree with whomever said that we can't just trust whatever Roose tells Theon - just because he says he's resigned to Ramsay as his heir and over Domeric's death, doesn't mean it's actually so.  It might be, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he has secretly been plotting some vengeance for quite awhile.

[Manfryd Lothston]

Why would Roose need to plot it secretly? He can order Ramsay killed any day of the week.

But Rams is the only Bolton heir, also he can marry Arya, and he's a cunning and ruthless warrior. Roose will keep him around, unless shit really hits the fan (in which case killing RAmsay wont achieve much anyway).

Also, OP: next time could you be more legible? Your post reads like gibberish at times.

Edited by Manfryd Lothston, 21 July 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[Jolene Brown]

I think he needs to plan it secretly because he wants it to happen in a way that won't make him a kinslayer... but I do always keep forgetting that he needs Ramsay to father a child on "Arya" first, to be able to hold Winterfell.  If that becomes a clear lost cause though, then I think all bets are off.

[Swordsaint]

I doubt either will kill each other considering their position. if Ramsay kills Roose, despite Ramsay's newly legitimate name, he will probably still be viewed as a sick, treacherous, bastard by other lords, and die soon after. Which begs the question: Does Ramsay know how dumb this plan would be?

Edited by Swordsaint, 21 July 2012 - 07:34 PM.

[Chelly]

I want Theon to kill Ramsay, but Roose killing Ramsay is interesting. I sure as hell hope Ramsay doesn't kill Roose. That would be disappointing. Ramsay's fear of Roose is one of his very few humane qualities and it is those few qualities that keep him an interesting villain to me.

[E-Ro]

Swordsaint, on 21 July 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

I doubt either will kill each other considering their position. if Ramsay kills Roose, despite Ramsay's newly legitimate name, he will probably still be viewed as a sick, treacherous, bastard by other lords, and die soon after. Which begs the question: Does Ramsay know how dumb this plan would be?

Ramsay is a moron and roose knows it, if roose want his house to continue he cant let him live.

Chelly, on 21 July 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

I want Theon to kill Ramsay, but Roose killing Ramsay is interesting. I sure as hell hope Ramsay doesn't kill Roose. That would be disappointing. Ramsay's fear of Roose is one of his very few humane qualities and it is those few qualities that keep him an interesting villain to me.

I dont think theon has it in him to kill ramsay, didnt he lose to many fingers to hold a weapon?

[Chelly]

E-Ro, on 21 July 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

I dont think theon has it in him to kill ramsay, didnt he lose to many fingers to hold a weapon?

I'm not positive on the specifics of how much he is hindered or which fingers are lost, exactly. Still, there are other ways to kill someone that doesn't involve handling a weapon. Did he lose fingers on both hands? He was still able to hold the reins to ride a horse, iirc. I think that requires a good grip. It was awhile when I read ADWD, so I could be wrong.

[Jolene Brown]

He has 7 fingers left, all but his pinky on his right, and I think he is missing his second and fourth fingers on his left.  Someone said on the board that he should be able to nock and shoot a bow and arrow, which we know is his specialty, although I would guess he would need some practice to get used to his missing fingers before he could do it again.  The Freys felt that he could still use a sword, I think, with his right hand.  He himself considered killing Jeyne with a dagger to save her from the wedding.

[E-Ro]

Jolene Brown, on 21 July 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

He has 7 fingers left, all but his pinky on his right, and I think he is missing his second and fourth fingers on his left.  Someone said on the board that he should be able to nock and shoot a bow and arrow, which we know is his specialty, although I would guess he would need some practice to get used to his missing fingers before he could do it again.  The Freys felt that he could still use a sword, I think, with his right hand.  He himself considered killing Jeyne with a dagger to save her from the wedding.

Ok, he can definetly fire a bow then. I still dont think he is geting revenge on ramsay.(i think jon is going to kill him.)

[Chelly]

E-Ro, on 21 July 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

Ok, he can definetly fire a bow then. I still dont think he is geting revenge on ramsay.(i think jon is going to kill him.)

I wouldn't oppose to that either.

[Lady of Long Lake]

Roose is so sly. I could see him offering Ramsay as the sacrificial lamb to try to get back in the North's good graces. He may even try to blame most of their sins on Ramsay.

I think the only reason Ramsay is still alive is because Roose is using him as a tool. Once his usefulness is gone, so will his life be.

[Tagganaro]

I don't think either one will kill the other.  If Ramsay didn't react when it was just him and Roose alone and Roose yelled at him "Don't make me rue the day I raped your mother", then I don't think Ramsay has the balls to act against Roose.  That was as good a chance as any, even Theon thought it might come to violence but Ramsay chickened out.  

Roose won't kill Ramsay either.  I don't think he wants to be a kinslayer, and as he has said young kid lords are the bane of any house and it's probably a good thing that Ramsay will kill them off.  

To be honest, I don't think either one is going to make it out of TWOW.  I'm guessing Roose will be killed by someone else (maybe Mance or someone loyal to Manderley?) and Ramsay I'm guessing is slated for Jon.  Either Jon or Theon as has been said above, but I'm sticking with Jon and the bastard showdown for now.

[TheWizard]

Remember Ramsey was the so called one who wrote that letter to jon

[Roose Bolton's Pet Leech]

Roose's ambition is to rule the North, and the key to that is Fake Arya. Roose himself can't marry Fake Arya (he's already married), so he needs Ramsay to do it. Ramsay's job is to impregnate Fake Arya then die, leaving Roose with a grandchild he can claim is part Stark.

His words to Theon were done in the expectation that Ramsay would hear them, thereby lulling Ramsay into a false sense of security. Remember Roose is only in his mid-50s, and is the biggest hypochrondiac in Westeros: he is not expecting to die soon.