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[Lady Lea]

Oh, bloody hell. So Jon Nieve said that that interview was just notes from memory and now he posted the real textual one.

http://www.asshai.co...3141e837#561326

You guys want a translation?

(I'm going to get some coffee)

[ARYa_Nym]

Actually when asked if we would see a kraken he just had a surprised face and said maybe.

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5- Teniendo en cuenta que hay un cuerno para invocar krakens, ¿veremos algún kraken en acción?
<pone cara de sorpresa> Quizá.

Arya did wish to see dragons and seamonsters. I thought she might only see kraken/Greyjoy but she might see a literal one.

[Associate Maester]

Lady Lea, on 30 July 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Oh, bloody hell. So Jon Nieve said that that interview was just notes from memory and now he posted the real textual one.

http://www.asshai.co...3141e837#561326

You guys want a translation?

(I'm going to get some coffee)

I think we'd all be eternally grateful for a translation. Now to edit a post that assumed an answer from what was already translated.

[Night Gathers]

Some of these translations differ from the ones the OP posted. Does anyone have an official english source?

[Ran]

I've posted the interview at the SSM collection, here, and have updated it to include my translations of some of the more interesting, fuller texts that Jon Nieves posted.

Edited by Ran, 30 July 2012 - 06:45 PM.

[Lady Lea]

Ran, on 30 July 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

I've posted the interview at the SSM collection, here, and have updated it to include my translations of some of the more interesting, fuller texts that Jon Nieves posted.

Ran, some questions like the Mellario and the symbolism ones were updated by Jon Nieves.

[Ninotchka]

Lady Lea, on 30 July 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

"The question is about Reek"
"Who?"
"Reek... (I supposed it sounded a bit like Rick to his ears, of course). About Theon Greyjoy..."
"Oh, Reeeeeeek". (It sounded a little like Roeiiiik to me. And everyone present started laughing and saying Roeiiiik over and over)
...

Hi   just so you know everything... I was there in that dinner, and ther happened something else! After that "keep reading" for us to know how much of his... thingie Theon has or hasn't right now... Well, Martin also began "Reek... Reek... it rhymes with peak!"

Arya Stark (that is, the asshai'i who asked him this) wanted me to say hi to you all and greets from Spain. Oh, and we all are thrilled you liked our questions and his answers  

  from Spain!

[Two Towers]

Night Gathers, on 30 July 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

Some of these translations differ from the ones the OP posted. Does anyone have an official english source?

It's because the OP has the translations of the version that was just memory and notes from the interview. They posted a new actual transcription of the interview recently, so the posts in the last pages make reference to this new version

[Frey Pie]

Reek reek it rhymes with peak------does that mean hes still got it?

[Lady Lea]

Ok so Ser Patreck did the Doran and Mellario one.

5 - Considering that there's a horn to summon krakens, will we see any krakens in action?

A: (surprised face) Maybe.

6 - The dead direwolf and the six pups. Is it a sign from the gods? Is the three-eyed crow? There are those who see a symbolism in the death of the direwolf by a stag’s horn (Stark-Baratheon).

Man, I think this is something for the readers to solve. If it is a symbol that I've worked on and that I put in the book with a certain subtlety it's because I'm making suggestions. And if I put suggestions or clues, I did it on purpose. What I'm not about to do now is (starts singing and making gestures with his arms): "It's a symbooooool! It's a symboooooool!" so that it jumps on the reader's faces. Each reader has to read the story and decide if this is a symbol, what it symbolises and what it means. I think this is part of what one must look for in a work of art: that it is complex, that it has a well-formed structure and that it is relatively ambiguous, so that each reader can have his/her own experience.

(MORE TO COME...)
doing the Frey/Lannister one and it's bloody big, so hang on

Edited by Lady Lea, 30 July 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[Ser_Patreck]

On the Moonsingers

"The Moonsingers are one more religion. I don't know how many do you know about this, but the history of Braavoos begin when Valyrians are coming with one of their slave fleets, the slaves mutiny, take control of the ships and decide to flee the farther they can from them. So they [Valyrians] don't search for them [mutinous slaves], they sail to the North through the Narrow Sea and seek refuge in what will end up becoming Braavos, that for some time is a hidden city. For one hundred years, its first one hundred years, practically no one knows anything about the city. What happens is that since the city was founded by slaves who were not an homogeneous population, there were slaves of many origins: They are from different ethnic groups, different people, different customs and different religions. And they decide to create this new religion, that would be one god only, so it could be applied to the only city: A god very tolerant with religions and belief, and also with racial origins. In Braavos there are people of all the colors, of all the ethnic origins, and that makes it impossible to establish a physical or genetic standard for the Braavosi, because they're all a conglomerate, a mix of different races. In the Lyseni case they have the same physical characteristics all the time because it's a Valyrian colony: only and pureblooded Valyrian, for they have some common physical characteristics, that are the characteristics from Old Valyria. The Moonsingers appear inside Braavos to create the religion I was speaking about and I believe that aside from some quick mention in text I haven't gone in depth about the part they do. Where's Elio when I need him?"

Commentary: Bold and italics from me.

Interesting, up until now I assumed that the Moonsingers and their God lead the fugue from Valyria. It seems, tough, that they come after it, not before. And the God of the Moonsigers is like some sort of Essosi G.A.O.T.U. The Moonsinger religion, them, it's a constructed religion, espressely for the purpose of giving the escaped slaves a common custom.

Interesting, very interesting.

Also, confirmation that Braavos is probably the only Free City with a mixed and diverse racial background.

Edited by Ser_Patreck, 30 July 2012 - 07:44 PM.

[Two Towers]

Lady Lea, the citadel has the full version already. It seems Ran works pretty fast

Edit: Not yet.  He has to upgrade some question yet

Edited by Two Towers, 30 July 2012 - 07:03 PM.

[kissdbyfire]

Ninotchka, on 30 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Hi   just so you know everything... I was there in that dinner, and ther happened something else! After that "keep reading" for us to know how much of his... thingie Theon has or hasn't right now... Well, Martin also began "Reek... Reek... it rhymes with peak!"

Arya Stark (that is, the asshai'i who asked him this) wanted me to say hi to you all and greets from Spain. Oh, and we all are thrilled you liked our questions and his answers  

  from Spain!

You guys did a wonderful job with the questions! Thanks for sharing!

[Associate Maester]

Ninotchka, on 30 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Hi   just so you know everything... I was there in that dinner, and ther happened something else! After that "keep reading" for us to know how much of his... thingie Theon has or hasn't right now... Well, Martin also began "Reek... Reek... it rhymes with peak!"

Arya Stark (that is, the asshai'i who asked him this) wanted me to say hi to you all and greets from Spain. Oh, and we all are thrilled you liked our questions and his answers  

  from Spain!

Cracking good job with the questions! You guys got lots of good tidbits that should kill some of the time until TWOW comes out.

[Ninotchka]

Thank you all

Frey Pie, on 30 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Reek reek it rhymes with peak------does that mean hes still got it?

We're still working on that

Btw, they told me to tell you that Asshai's admin is "Jon Nieve", not "Nieves". You know, "nieve", Spanish for "Snow"

Edited by Ninotchka, 30 July 2012 - 07:10 PM.

[Bushido]

Will update first post mañana,it's 2.20am my time
As ever,thanks to Lady Lea

Oh,we are much faster/better than Citadel

[Ser_Patreck]

Ok, let's do this in order. I was going to do the Stark one now, but since Lady Lea is probably on it already, I'll keep going from the Moonsingers.

10 - "During Robert's Rebellion, what made a simple criminal like Davos to participate in the war helping Stannis?

Because he had onions! Haha and he asked himself, "where can I sell them for the price of gold? If I take them to King's Landing, they'll pay me the price of the onion, but if I take them to people that are starving, it's sure they'll pay me way better hahaha."

11 - Arthur Dayne. Nothing new here.

14 - "Can you tell us what happened in relation to Daenerys, Daemon Blackfyre and the Prince of Dorne?

Even tough they (Daenerys and Daemon) were in love, her brother, the King, was more worried about state matters than romantic matters. There were many years of clashes with Dorne, being incapable of defeating them, or integrating them to the Seven Kingdoms, and he wanted Dorne to stop from attacking the Realm. So it occurred to the King, since conquest had fallen, that a matrimonial alliance was the best way to cease hostilities, so he proposes to his sister to wed the Prince of Dorne, he uses her. It's a political marriage, pure and simple, a marriage of convenience to guarantee the union of Drone and the Seven Kingdoms. Also, he preferred to give his sister to the prince of Dorne than to his bastard brother, with whom he was having frequeng clashes over the fact that some people were saying he was the legitimate King. It was the last drop of water that overflew the cup of Daemon's patience, and from here comes the first of the Blackfyre Rebellions, basically because he had enough of taking everything that came from the king in stride."

Commentary: Interestingly, in other sources it's stated that Daenerys marriage to Maron was agreed to way before, by Baelor the Blessed (Daeron married Myriah, and the other half of the payment, so to speak, would come later, when a Targaryen woman would marry the Prince of Dorne). George seem to imply that the conflict with Dorne was ongoing, where other sources imply that Baelor made the peace and Daeron just consolidated it. Also, this piece also makes it seem that the Blackfyre Rebellion was Daemon's response to Daeron's attacks, where before I had the impression that Daeron was largely defending himself from his brothers tryinng his hand at usurpation.

Hmm...

Let's go on.

Edited by Ser_Patreck, 30 July 2012 - 08:05 PM.

[Jolene Brown]

This thread is killing it.  It is the gift that keeps on giving.  You translators are awesome.

[Lady Lea]

Q: The Lannisters and the Freys have so many relatives, while there are very few Starks. Didn’t Ned have any distant relatives that could claim Winterfell?
A: The Starks do have distant relatives, the problem is to define what "distant" means. There are relatives like the Karstarks, who have their own keep and are basically a lineage created by a second son who wasn't an heir of House Stark, but this was over a thousand years ago. Yes it's true that the Starks were united with other families. In fact, it was mentioned in one of the books that when Robb believes that Bran and Rickon are dead there was a conversation with his mother, because even though he had just married Jeyne, he needed and heir and yet he hadn't produced one yet. He told his mother: "Mother, I need an heir", she answers: "Well, yes, we have a close relative... the closest we have is a descendant from an old aunt of yours - aunt not in the sense of the same generation, but a grandaunt or what have you - who married a noble from the Vale. This is the closest there is to a Stark heir", and Robb tells her: "No, there is someone else, who is closer to me", and his mother says to him: "No. Your closest relative is your cousin from the Vale". Both characters are saying something clearly, with no need to make explicit what each one is trying to say.

But as I say, there are different relationships between different characters and the problem is the legitimacy of the claim of certain characters to the throne, in the sense that in Westeros, after all, wars are started because of things like these. If they say "No, I'm the heir because I'm from two generations since a certain option", "Yes, but I'm from three generations since this other, closer, option", etc... By things like these, by questioning who has more right than the other to a throne, there have been wars in Westeros.

It's true that the Starks have recently grown scarcer, in the last generations there aren't many of them. Some say that it could be because all of Ned's siblings are dead. Brandon died before he could have children, Lyanna is dead too and Benjen is sworn to the Night's Watch, so he can't have heirs either. Maybe it is also due to the fact that their father, Rickard, was an only son and we have to go back as to why he was an only son. Either way, it is possible that I'm wrong about some of the details, because I'm saying them by memory. At home I have my little cards, my family tree to check this information, because I can't always remember the difference between people.

It's true that currently there are many more Lannisters. One has to consider also that in the North there have been revolts frequently, that there have been many rebel lords in the past, who had problems with the Kings Beyond the Wall, with the whole Skagos episode and all that happened in the last 100 years. All of this influenced in the fact that maybe there aren't as many Starks as there were in the past.

Edited by Lady Lea, 30 July 2012 - 07:38 PM.

[Lady Lea]

So there you have it folks - he did NOT say that Lyanna died with no children.

He said that "all of Ned's siblings are dead" - so, no hope for Benjen?

And who is this half-Stark living in the Vale? Will Sansa ever meet him?