407 replies to this topic

[MisterOJ]

Just caught this post on facebook and thought it was worth sharing for those that are interested.

http://www.facebook....41073836&type=1

[Switchback]

Awesome!

and that was a great post by him.  just when i'm convinced he has to be a robot, he writes all these posts/blogs that show the kind of awareness of fan's expectations and desires, and humility about his craft, that are at odds with my current understanding of robots.

[Arthmail]

He's only a decade behind most of the people that gave up on it.

[Solmyr]

Too bad Tor will likely spend months editing the book. I doubt the release date will be pushed closer than the originally announced 8 Jan 2013. Tho a Xmas release can't hurt anyone, especially their sales figures .

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

MisterOJ, on 01 August 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Just caught this post on facebook and thought it was worth sharing for those that are interested.

http://www.facebook....41073836&type=1

Very classy move. I'm not a fan of the series, but I respect what he did in finishing Jordan's work, and the class with which he handled it. I think it is extraordinarily difficult to write in someone else's voice, and while you could see differences, I think he did an outstanding job overall.

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

And i suppose this is as good a place as any to continue the last thread.  So about Towers of Midnight....

I went back through to read some of the stuff I'd skipped, and I'll revise my opinion somewhat.  It was better than I thought, in that most of the 'shipping stuff was concentrated in the first half of the book.  I still found myself eye-rolling at Galad/Berelaine, Egwene/Gawyn, and the Thom/Morgase pair-ups.  And it was still horribly annoying that every major character is unable to act without thinking about their S.O., including Lan going all googly about Nynaeve when he's at the Gap.

I just feel that there was a really good 4-5 book series buried somewhere in all this, and it just got drowned.

[Reposado]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 01 August 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

I just feel that there was a really good 4-5 book series buried somewhere in all this, and it just got drowned.

as someone who hasn't read the last three, i completely agree with this. i do intend to read the last four at some point, i just need to figure out a way to refresh myself without rereading, since i read book 10 in 2003 and haven't looked at WOT since then.

[Bronn Stone]

I think that even a crisp version would have taken eight books.  It is a huge collection of stories, woven together with varying degrees of success.  I would not want to lose all of the characteristic Jordan descriptiveness.  But yes, the slog-down volumes (8-10) are pretty dire.

[Noroldis]

So Sanderson is done with WoT? Good (riddance). I look forward to book two of the Stormlight Archive.

[MisterOJ]

Noroldis, on 01 August 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

So Sanderson is done with WoT? Good (riddance). I look forward to book two of the Stormlight Archive.

Yeah, I'll probably never read any of his WoT stuff, but I'll be getting the next Stormlight book as soon as it comes out.

[awesome possum]

Good news!  I still hold a place in my heart for this series, even if I - like many, many others - had had enough of Jordan's meandering years ago.

Now what's the over/under on how long before Tor/Harriet hire someone else to revisit the world?

[kcf]

awesome possum, on 01 August 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Good news!  I still hold a place in my heart for this series, even if I - like many, many others - had had enough of Jordan's meandering years ago.

I largely agree with you. I'm even doing a re-listen right now on my commute.

awesome possum, on 01 August 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Now what's the over/under on how long before Tor/Harriet hire someone else to revisit the world?

Hires someone else, I think there is a near-zero chance of that. As for Sanderson doing more - the prequels, the follow-up trilogy...I think there is a better chance, but still less than 50%.

However, we know that Sanderson enjoys side projects to mix things up while writing - I wouldn't be surprised at all if 5 years from now (long enough for him to have a well-earned rest), if he writes something in the WOT world, and he'll tell himself as he's doing it that he doesn't want it to be published (because it'll esssentially be fan-fiction). Eventually Harriett will find out he wrote something and ask to see it. She'll read it and think that it could be fun to publish. Then she (or maybe Brandon) will send up to Tor (Doherty himself of course), and he'll want to publish it ASAP. Then will come the big surprise announcement. Most fans will be ecstatic to get more WOT, a few will grumble (some loudly) that it's improper to do anymore in the WOT world.It'll come out and then will begin the precedent of Sanderson writing something (generally smaller) every few years. So, basically I expect about 7 years from now to get a surprise announcement of new WOT material coming from Sanderson (and I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's not one of the prequels or outriggers planned by Jordan).

[Werthead]

I think the likelihood of additional WoT books is dependent on the state of RJ's notes. He didn't map out any more novels specifically, but if he left behind any detailed historical reference material on the backhistory of WoT which someone could assemble a novel or trilogy from (heck, you could do that with the info he left behind on Artur Hawkwing and has revealed already), that might not be impossible.

Whether should it be done or not is another question, but I think it's possible and people will generally be okay with it as long as it comes from RJ's own notes and information. Otherwise it will be received as irrelevant fanfiction at best.

[Migey]

I hope nothing more comes out. Sanderson did very well with books 12 and 13 (and presumeably 14 too) but end of the day, he was still only picking up the reins to finish the thing off. Continuing could be seen as being somewhat disrespectful to Jordan.

Whether or not it should be done, I am 99% sure it wont be by Sanderson. He seems to take his role in finishing the series very seriously and has a huge amount of respect for Jordan, and I assume that, unless Jordan had a specific extra book planned, Sanderson wouldn't take it upon himself to write another; and I think he wants to return to his own work now anyway.

[fionwe1987]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 01 August 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

including Lan going all googly about Nynaeve when he's at the Gap.

This is your example of needless shipping? The man believes he's going to die and not see his wife again. It would have been weird if he didn't think about it!

[fionwe1987]

kcf, on 01 August 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

I largely agree with you. I'm even doing a re-listen right now on my commute.



Hires someone else, I think there is a near-zero chance of that. As for Sanderson doing more - the prequels, the follow-up trilogy...I think there is a better chance, but still less than 50%.

However, we know that Sanderson enjoys side projects to mix things up while writing - I wouldn't be surprised at all if 5 years from now (long enough for him to have a well-earned rest), if he writes something in the WOT world, and he'll tell himself as he's doing it that he doesn't want it to be published (because it'll esssentially be fan-fiction). Eventually Harriett will find out he wrote something and ask to see it. She'll read it and think that it could be fun to publish. Then she (or maybe Brandon) will send up to Tor (Doherty himself of course), and he'll want to publish it ASAP. Then will come the big surprise announcement. Most fans will be ecstatic to get more WOT, a few will grumble (some loudly) that it's improper to do anymore in the WOT world.It'll come out and then will begin the precedent of Sanderson writing something (generally smaller) every few years. So, basically I expect about 7 years from now to get a surprise announcement of new WOT material coming from Sanderson (and I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's not one of the prequels or outriggers planned by Jordan).

I think such a scenario may occur, but only after the (sadly inevitable) WoT movie/TV series. Then you'll have a massive influx of fresh fans with not much loyalty to RJ and his staunch resistance to anyone else writing in his world. Such a book would make excellent sense, in that case.

[Migey]

WoT movie/TV? Oh god. I hope not.....

Where will they find so many female actresses with braids? I didn't know so many existed.

Anyway, that does sound like it will happen, as there is just so much money to be made if even 20% of the people who watch any movie/TV show pick up the first few books of the series... still hope it doesn't happen.

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

fionwe1987, on 01 August 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

This is your example of needless shipping? The man believes he's going to die and not see his wife again. It would have been weird if he didn't think about it!

Actually, it was just one of my examples, and the last one I listed.  But I still don't buy that myself, sorry.  You think that stuff the night before, during idle time or whatever.  The guy in charge (in particular), right as he's about to begin an attack like that with the enemy in sight when adrenalin is up, is likely going to have a lot of other stuff going through his head.   At least, other than in movies/books.  IMHO.

Edited by Former Lord of Winterfell, 01 August 2012 - 10:33 PM.

[fionwe1987]

Former Lord of Winterfell, on 01 August 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

Actually, it was just one of my examples, and the last one I listed.  But I still don't buy that myself, sorry.  You think that stuff the night before, during idle time or whatever.  The guy in charge (in particular), right as he's about to begin an attack like that with the enemy in sight when adrenalin is up, is likely going to have a lot of other stuff going through his head.   At least, other than in movies/books.  IMHO.

This is a silly topic to discuss, but I think any guy knowingly going into a suicidal mission will definitely think briefly about his loved ones, who he has no hope of seeing again.

[Former Lord of Winterfell]

fionwe1987, on 01 August 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

This is a silly topic to discuss, but I think any guy knowingly going into a suicidal mission will definitely think briefly about his loved ones, who he has no hope of seeing again.

Well, folks can disagree on that.  Fear has a way of focusing your mind.  But in any case, even if he is, I don't have any more interest in reading about that than I would his last bowel movement anyway.  Actually, that's kind of the overall point.  People do think about their S.O.s a lot.  It's just that their internal musings on that generally aren't all that interesting to anyone but them.