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[Ice Turtle]

jarl the climber, on 18 September 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

I think we have to add a fith option. The Martells will secretly recognise Aegon and that Arrianne will use the fact that the Martells still nomially support Tommen to travel to the Reach in order to make a marriage alliance with the Wilas Tyrell or the Redwyne twins or a Hightower. From JonC's perspective she might be more valuable in that capacity. I like that or opton 4. I think this Darkstar guy will take the Black, Obara Sand the hardiest of the Sand Snakes will escort him to the Wall in part to see what Stannis is up to. I don't see the other 2 Sand Snakes staying out of trouble for very long in Kings Landing.

Darkstar on the Wall, now that would be something. He seems as a type to rather die than to be caught, but if he is Doran's spy as some speculate, I can see it.

[Lord Liam DarkStark]

I love darkstar xD I wish he had dawn

[gingerpunk]

Jon Icefyre, on 09 August 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

When have you ever known GRRM to be merciful in cases of honest misunderstandings? This is war and when Dany see's Aegon she won't see some poor helpless boy who's been deceived and raised on a lie. She'll see him as a pretender(aka the mummers dragon) come steal her throne, her Kingdom that is rightfully hers and she'll destroy him without hesitation by means of Fire and Blood!(aka dragons)  Plus who's to say that by the time Dany and Aegon meet that Aegon's personality won't change??? I mean we can clearly see he's getting more arrogant by the day(I think that Cyvasse game with Tyrion was a bit of foreshadowing)who's to say he won't be a total Douche when he finally meets his Aunt since he thinks his claim is stronger than hers?  Especially if he's already married before they meet for the first time...he might end up simply provoking Dany into burning his fake ass alive hahaha

Was this Tyrion's intention all along when he sent Aegon to attack in Westeros instead of having him meet up with Dany as he was originally supposed to? I always wondered what was up his sleeve when Tyrion heard that Aegon was headed to Westeros and thought, "He took the bait," or something along those lines. If it was Tyrion's intention, that implies he either suspected Aegon to be a fake (unlikely, since this doesn't appear in his thoughts,) or suspected something else. Perhaps it's his mistrust of Varys, and Illyrio, at least by association, that would lead him to send Aegon away from his intended goal. My first suspicion, though, was that he just sent him to wreak a little more havoc in Westeros and cause more problems for the family that put him aside.

Edited by gingerpunk, 19 September 2012 - 03:06 PM.

[Quentyn Baratheon]

If Aegon act like a douche, the incest marriage bet will rise.

[NotSoSilentSister]

I agree with those posters who suspect that Dorne will probably try to hedge their bets a little longer if they can manage. I suspect we are going to see some Sand Snake plotting in King's Landing (there has to be some payoff for the Sandsnake, damn it!), so Doran probably won't officially declare for Aegon too early in Winds of Winter.

It's interesting to think about a potential use for Elia Sand.... although I doubt that Aegon would marry her. But maybe she'll serve as someone conveniently impersonated by a certain faceless man of just the right proportions.... (but that probably won't happen before Dream of Spring)

I guess that Dorne will promise Aegon support but not declare for him officially immediately. They might eventually open the doors of King's Landing for him... Tyene is working the Faith and the Faith seems primed to support Aegon. Right now the Faith is threatening both Cersei and Margary ... I suspect the trial is going to end somewhat inconclusive (don't ask me how...) - maybe they both will feel the need to get out of doge and retreat to Casterly Rock and Highgarden respectively, leaving KL to the Faith?


No idea how Arianne will fit into this. But I think she'll be one of the last players standing. She may side with Aegon for a while, discover the Blackfyre thing eventually and end up plotting against him. I don't think she's necessarily doomed, even as Aegon's widow.

[icantstandgreyjoys]

LittleDragon8, on 02 August 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

I am hoping for #4. The way I picture it, Arianne will immediately see fAegon for what he really is, realize she will need allies, because Dorne cannot hope to stand alone against fAegon, and turn North. However, I think it is far more likely #3 will take place, granting us an unbiased pov on fAegon's actions, which will be more interesting story-wise, but nail-biting for Arianne fans.

I kinda agree with that. Regarding how Doran Martell was pictured, he won't jump in with the living Aegon idea. Even Arienne has doubts about it in the sample chapter. But given the circumstances, Dorne will decide to declare with fAegon because of their own interest(Tyrells are coming) but they will avoid a marriage contract.
And as LittleDragon8 said, Arienne's POV may grant us an unbiased view on fAegon, especially now that he is in a battle. And Arienne will not like him, imo. He is what Arienne was, uncautious, too eager and most importantly untested. Arienne changed and now she can see what a hot blood can cause.
Elia may play a role too. I don't know if GRRM would go with a romance caused downfall story again, but it might serve. Or we can see that he is a big jerk in the inside. I believe that Aegon is fake both inside and outside. Burn.

[fyrfly]

Jon Icefyre, on 10 September 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

I never thought about the "Mummers dragon"  Like that but it totally makes sense Jon doesn't have any Targ features so dany might assume he's a pretender when the real pretender is Aegon(a blackfyre)

well I thought that this might be the twist within the twist, that will be revealed because there is always a hidden layer in GRRM's writing

[chrisdaw]

I'll take number 1, it gives purpose to Arrianne having been built up as a supreme seductress, the history of Dorne holding out against Dragons and Quentyn's journey of fail.

[Ice Turtle]

Shamelessly reopening my own old thread. After reading Arianne I, much hasn't changed. A lot is discussed in a thread about the sample chapter, but Arianne's future still seems the same to me. If she sides with Aegon she is doomed.

[Razha]

I think poor Aegon is almost definitely doomed but - there are chances for Arianne to survive his demise - after all - there have been many kings/pretenders murdered in world history  but their wives were more often left alive then not.
So few oprions here:

1. Danny roasts Aegon and Arianne together
2. Danny roasts Aegon, Arianne is spared
3. Arianne abandons Aegon when she realizes they are loosing the game (a bit like Cleopatra abandoned Antony during a decisive battle), he dies but she survives
4 .Come to think of it - we already ASOAIF treatment of Julius Caesar assassination, why not Antony and Cleopatra? so they might die like these two...

[Ser Poopies]

I'm betting dorne sides with aegon and then dany will come, making it a dance of dragons...  Moqorro tells tyrion he sees dragons old and young true and false.. and tyrion standing in the middle of it.. laughing...

Also I think the little girl in ariannes  twow chapter mentions her vision about 2 dragons dancing.. and everywhere they left behind blood and death or something like that..

So I'm betting that dorne stupidly declares for fAegon and lots of others declare for dany.. starting another civil war.. then the others attack

[Tommen]

Ice Turtle, on 02 August 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:

From the gift chapter we know that Arianne is heading to Aegon. I can see her story continuing in four ways:

2, Arianne will take initiative into her hands seduce Aegon and become his Queen partly motivated by her complicated relationship with Quentyn, leading to her alienating with Doran again. I that case I think she is doomed, see point 1.

What do you think?

I like this.  So far, the Martell family unit has seemed exceptionally strong when compared to the ridiculously dysfunctional Lannisters, the divided Baratheons and Greyjoys, the nonexistent Arryns and the virtually extinct Starks and Tullys.  The Sand Snakes are all doing Doran's bidding despite the fact that he imprisoned them.  The weak link is Arianne, who distrusted her father and brother for years and lacks confidence in her ability as an envoy (her first instinct is to deduce whether or not she can charm the pants off of Jon Connington).  I think it would be tragic and very GRRM for Arianne's ambition to ruin everything, marrying Aegon out of a desire to take control, only to find that her family is dancing with the other dragon.

[NotSoSilentSister]

Something else to consider:

The mythical Ariadne of Greek legend helps out a young king-to-be on a quest (against her fathers wishes) in exchange for a promise of marriage, only to be discarded in favour of an even more promising marriage alliance after having played her part. She is left behind on Naxos, only to be picked up and married by Bacchus, the god of wine and revelry.

If Arianne's narrative follows the Greek template, she might side with Aegon, only to be set aside for someone else (Sansa? Shireen? Marg? Myrcella? Dany?). But she'll get her happy ending anyway, by ending up with someone even more powerful (Tyrion?).

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Maybe the real Elia Sand is dead and it's really Arya in disguise sent to kill Aegon.

JK

[NotSoSilentSister]

TheWhiteRabbit, on 12 January 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

Maybe the real Elia Sand is dead and it's really Arya in disguise sent to kill Aegon.

JK

not yet...

[Volantis]

kneo, on 09 August 2012 - 03:19 AM, said:

Arianne will probably marry Jon C. Jon is discussing about this with his maester and since they are keeping Aegon for Dany, the only important candidate available remains Jon C.

Hey, why don't Aegon marry both Dany and Arianne? Like in the old days? He'll have both Dorne and Dany's dragons in one stroke.

[Lion of Judah]

Number 1 without the greyscale. I think she get's caught up in the dance with dragons and her end will come once the truth about Aegon is revealed.