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This is a continuation of our thread here.

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EPISODES 1-4 SPOILERS AHEAD

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Ok, so great episode tonight! I love how it took a step back and focused on Walt's household issues, while also hitting a controversy within the big three.

The intro was a bit puzzling to me--was it to show that Walt did not quite care anymore? That he sees happiness above all. I was soooo confused as to why he sold his car for so low.

Skylar's acting out seems a bit more strategic now--like she wants to make it hard for Walt to control her by bringing Marie and Hank closer to the situation. I think they need to have more actual conversations for her and Walt, things with substance like tonight's. Something we do not need to decipher, that we can take a fairly clear interpretation of.

Walt's "this train keeps on running" makes me wonder if he wants the cancer to come back. Maybe there is a side to him that says "just leave your kids with enough money to NEVER make them want." Sure, Walt enjoys the power, but his recklessness may not be arrogance and instead may be carelessness.

With the tracker bug, it seemed right away to me to be too obvious to be Hank and his guys. I think Mike hit the nail on the head and that Jesse's soft spot and Walt's "keep the train running" may be danger for a fool-proof Mike.

I am wondering if Hank will end up rejecting the job offer (since I think his acceptance was rather unofficial) because of the distance it will put between him and the Heisenberg case.

Like I said, great episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.

ETA: Also, I am wondering if Walt's "I am the danger" was meant to actually foreshadow the danger he brings to his friends/family/companions, rather than how he intended it (the danger to those who oppose him).

Edited by The Shadow Fox, 06 August 2012 - 06:24 AM.

[drawkcabi]

I think the writing for Skylar's character is completely logical and the actress playing her is doing great with how she has to play it, but the episodes that focus so much time on Skylar/Walt issues like this one did really slows things down for me and makes it not as enjoyable.

I loved how Mike reacted to Lydia - "Ok, she's dead" "My fault for being a sexist" etc.

And Jesse, dammit, you've done bad things, you're messed up in some bad shit, but you're still a sweetheart!

[Barristan the Boss]

drawkcabi, on 05 August 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

I think the writing for Skylar's character is completely logical and the actress playing her is doing great with how she has to play it, but the episodes that focus so much time on Skylar/Walt issues like this one did really slows things down for me and makes it not as enjoyable.

I loved how Mike reacted to Lydia - "Ok, she's dead" "My fault for being a sexist" etc.

And Jesse, dammit, you've done bad things, you're messed up in some bad shit, but you're still a sweetheart!

Jesse is a sweetheart, and Walt is a relentless, job focused nutcase. If you ask me that train is headed straight towards a mountainside.

Edited by Sully's Moustache, 06 August 2012 - 12:04 AM.

[nutella23]

Two things:

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and


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....well that's not working for some reason. whatever. humorous moments aside, that was a pretty chill-inducing episode.

Edited by nutella23, 06 August 2012 - 01:17 AM.

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The Walt v skylar conversation was excellent. I was sitting thinking "don't say that, Walt" but he just kept on going. I still think Skylar's attitude has changed a lot from last season but I guess she didn't know just how dangerous it was until the events at the end of last season. So I think she can change her tune fairly quickly. I think the main issue is that she knows walt is a monster, Much like we know he almost killed a kid to get things done, as Walt's wife, Skylar knows he has become a monster. I think it's this more than anything else that has caused her to change like this.
What Walt has to be careful about now is Skylar giving evidence against him in exchange for being put in witness relocation with her kids. Considering what Walt said to her (committing her) I worry that he would kill Skylar if it meant he could keep his kids. This would fit in with his arc as he slowly dissolves all his excuses.

Loved the "sexist" comments from Mike.

[Patrick Durden]

Walt : Waiting, waiting for what?

Skyler : For the cancer to come back.

Skyler.Needs.To.Die.

[Leviathan I]

Holy shit that episode was intense. The actress that plays Lydia is really good, I don't know how they keep doing it; I have never seen acting on the level of Breaking Bad.

[mythsandstuff]

Patrick Durden, on 06 August 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Walt : Waiting, waiting for what?

Skyler : For the cancer to come back.

Skyler.Needs.To.Die.

Really? How is she not an audience surrogate in that scene? Are we not all waiting for that too? Was that not the point of the flash forward in the first ep?

She's saying what we're all thinking, but she needs to die. Right. Gotcha.

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Leviathan I, on 06 August 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Holy shit that episode was intense. The actress that plays Lydia is really good, I don't know how they keep doing it; I have never seen acting on the level of Breaking Bad.

I also loved Hank's arrival at Walt's birthday after having just discovered the affair. That was very well done too. They do have an exceptionally solid cast I agree.

I thought durden's "skylar.has.got.to.die" was Walt's thoughts? In reality, I think her comment was fine. Walt is threatening her and that's about all she has left to stop him. Aside from giving evidence and it's clear Walt thinks Skylar is expendable if push comes to shove,
It's pretty horrible how he's turning his son against her too. That said, Jr was acting a bit of a dick with the bacon scene - the kid usually seems quite sensitive so it seems strange how he hasn't noticed how his mum is clearly in bad shape,

[Horza]

Skylar is the worst. Don't you remember that time she poisoned a kid and planted a bomb at a nursing home?

[Morpheus]

I am starting to wonder if the ricin may be used on Skylar, rather than one of the more obvious targets like Mike or Hank when he eventually starts to suspect Walt. It is nearby and easily accessible in the bedroom.

[Crown]

Walt's an asshole to Skyler. No wonder she's afraid of him.

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Horza, on 06 August 2012 - 06:52 AM, said:

Skylar is the worst. Don't you remember that time she poisoned a kid and planted a bomb at a nursing home?

Behind every bad man is a horrible woman Maybe Walt will become even more classy and claim she pushed him to it.

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red snow, on 06 August 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

I also loved Hank's arrival at Walt's birthday after having just discovered the affair. That was very well done too. They do have an exceptionally solid cast I agree.

I thought durden's "skylar.has.got.to.die" was Walt's thoughts? In reality, I think her comment was fine. Walt is threatening her and that's about all she has left to stop him. Aside from giving evidence and it's clear Walt thinks Skylar is expendable if push comes to shove,
It's pretty horrible how he's turning his son against her too. That said, Jr was acting a bit of a dick with the bacon scene - the kid usually seems quite sensitive so it seems strange how he hasn't noticed how his mum is clearly in bad shape,

I think Walt knows Skylar can be taken out, and I think that is why she is so afraid. Walt is a killer and he eliminates all in his way. I like the idea that ricin may be used on Skylar. Walt would make it look like a suicide and blame it on her "failed and exposed affair". Her family knows, so that means she is full of shame and embarrassment, and is grieving for Ted's major injuries and upset that Walt found and and, in turn, cut it off. Or at least Walt could sell it like that   or possibly more like ;(

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red snow, on 06 August 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

That said, Jr was acting a bit of a dick with the bacon scene - the kid usually seems quite sensitive so it seems strange how he hasn't noticed how his mum is clearly in bad shape,

you don't mess with his breakfast traditions.

[red snow]

At this rate Walt could try and get himself cast as the Viper or a new addition to the Borgias. He does like his poison - that said he's a good all-rounder when it comes to killing - explosives, cars, guns. He has yet to try out a knife as far as i can recall.

[Barristan the Boss]

I think Jesse has had a long streak without messing up, and it may come to an end soon. In season 1, although he was inexperienced, his lack of intelligence caused him and Walt some grief. Mike instantly saw the instability of Lydia, and Hank also noticed how she is wearing mismatched shoes. I think Jesse just made a huge mistake. He probably wasnt thinking with his head there anyway

[Francis Buck]

I have to admit, even though I've had trouble imagining Walt hurting Skylar, I was definitely afraid for her last night. More than once during their argument I had the feeling was just going to start choking her or something.  

That being said, I still don't think he'll kill her. I do, however, think he will lose her (and the family) in some way...but it won't be something he directly caused. Rather, it will be an "unforeseen" consequence of his actions in the drug trade. My reasoning for this comes mostly from the cold-opening...to me, the Walt we see there was a broken man, one who appears to have lost everything. It's more poignant, to me at least, if he lost his family because they more-or-less chose to abandon him, due to what he has become, rather than him being the one that "ends things".

I'm definitely quite curious about the GPS tracker. My best guess is that it's someone from within Madrigal. I don't think it's Lydia or the DEA; the former's reaction seemed genuine to me, and the latter just doesn't make much sense. And I do believe that there's still going to be some kind of "enemy" that Walt will have to go up against, aside from the DEA. There's a reason he's buying that huge fucking machine gun, and I definitely do not think that it's some kind of Scarface-style "last stand" against the DEA or what have you. It just seems to obvious, not to mention nonsensical. So unless he's coming back to kill somebody that we already know of (Jesse? I doubt it though), then he must be using it against some as-of-yet-unknown third party. At least that's the way I see it.