Edited by yolkboy, 09 November 2013 - 08:01 PM.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:54 AM
Edited by Ghost of Groat, 07 August 2012 - 06:57 AM.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 06:58 AM
Ghost you're completely right, sorry i'd forgotten about that moment, i'll have to find and look at it again before i post. I'll be non commital until ive looked at it closely.
You address Jamie's resoning but not Tyrion's. The whole bit at Joff's wedding when Tyrion suggests a Valyrian steel dagger and Joff's reaction "you..." satisfies me that it was Joff.
Can you explain the interchange re dagger at Joff's wedding?
Edited by yolkboy, 07 August 2012 - 08:07 AM.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 07:17 AM
Posted 07 August 2012 - 07:18 AM
“Have a care, Your Grace,” Ser Addam Marbrand warned the king. “Valyrian steel is perilously sharp.”
“I remember.” Joffrey brought Widow’s Wail down in a savage twohanded slice, onto the book that Tyrion had given him. The heavy leather cover parted at a stroke.
“Sharp! I told you, I am no stranger to Valyrian steel.”
Tyrion was staring at his nephew with his mismatched eyes. “Perhaps a knife, sire. To match your sword. A dagger of the same fine Valyrian steel . . . with a dragonbone hilt, say?”
Joff gave him a sharp look. “You . . . yes, a dagger to match my sword, good.” He nodded. “A . . . a gold hilt with rubies in it. Dragonbone is too plain.”
Edited by Ghost of Groat, 07 August 2012 - 07:40 AM.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 07:33 AM
Posted 07 August 2012 - 07:43 AM
You address Jamie's reasoning but not Tyrion's. The whole bit at Joff's wedding when Tyrion suggests a Valyrian steel dagger and Joff's reaction "you..." satisfies me that it was Joff.
Can you explain the interchange, vis a vis dagger, at Joff's wedding?
Posted 07 August 2012 - 07:49 AM
Mance was under guest right, and he seems to me like a true northener, who takes guestright seriously. No way he did that to Bran.
Edited by yolkboy, 07 August 2012 - 08:10 AM.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 07:56 AM
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:00 AM
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:09 AM
The best match that doesnt have any non-used letters is MERCENARY
Edited by Jayce, 07 August 2012 - 08:10 AM.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:11 AM
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:14 AM
Mance and his spearwives had been doing quite a number on the guest rights with the boltons.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:14 AM
I get the feeling that Mance was doing a quiet infiltration not an "invasion." He was probably scoping things out for his future plans. He seems to be one who plans things out not one who acts rashly.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:15 AM
Interesting Theory, though I can see that this might be an option I just can't see why at present.
This doesn't use one A or a D. Mance Rayder is 11 letters and Mercenary is only 9.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:26 AM
Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:27 AM
You could argue that since the Bolton's have no legitimate claim on Winterfell and are essentially squatters, Mance isn't really their guest and owes them nothing.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:10 AM
Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:33 AM
If Mance wanted a child dead, he'd do it himself. If Mance wanted a child dead, the child would most surely be dead, and not the victim of some hare-brained scheme that was never going to succeed. That is Joffrey's style however.
As i've said, maybe he didnt want to kill Bran, but make a purposefully foiled attempt he knew would spark the Stark War. Do i have to repeat myself or is this you derailing the thread?
If Mance wanted to be King in the North, he'd already be it by now. He'd kick Ned's ass and then be done with it.
Given his army were behind a 7 Hundred foot magic ice wall at the time , and considering Neds alliances with the North and Robert, i dont think it would have been that simple. Winterfell is quite a formidable fortess when manned, IIRC.
Mance would never violate guest right (unless you had it coming like the Bolton's) and Mance is too fond of the Starks to do something like that (witness his obsession with the Bael the Bard story and him giving Jon 100 second-chances).
Again I have explained that Mance would simply have to leave winterfell and find an incompetant assasin to escape guest right.
In short, I disagree that Mance would ever be involved with something like this and we have too much evidence to the contrary to not pin it on Joffrey.
The evidence on Joffrey is certainly not infallible, as i've explained.
Edited by yolkboy, 07 August 2012 - 09:35 AM.
Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:42 AM
Edited by DragonSpawn, 07 August 2012 - 10:03 AM.
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