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"Targaryens are Fireproof" and Other Common Misconceptions


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#1 J. Stargaryen

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 06:29 PM

A collection of common misconceptions.
  • Targaryens are fireproof. Event Horizon Chat Transcript

    Granny -Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?
    George_RR_Martin -Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! (emphasis mine) The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.

  • 'X' can't be a Targaryen, he/she doesn't have silver hair and purple eyes. The most recent example (not counting Jon Snow) is Rhaenys, daughter of Rhaegar and Elia.

    Rhaenys took after her mother in appearance, she had brown hair and looked like a Martell.

  • Characters with purple eyes and silver hair must be (secret) Targaryens. These particular genetic traits are common in Essos, and therefore not exclusive to Targaryens.
  • Targaryens cannot get sick.
    Dany has been sick and/or feverish twice in the series. Once in AGOT after the stillbirth of her son and once in ADWD after eating bad berries and/or drinking bad water.
    Several Targaryens died during the Great Spring Sickness including King Daeron and two of his grandsons. Another Daeron, Daeron the Drunken (who had sandy brown hair), died of pox.
  • Genetic traits are inherited through the male line in aSoIaF. House Stark is probably the most obvious example to the contrary: Robb, Sansa, Bran, and Rickon all display the Tully traits of their mother, Lady Catelyn. Only Arya inherited the Stark traits passed down from Lord Eddard.
  • Bran's Greensight is limited to weirdwoods. i.e.: "Bran shan't see X, because there were no weirdwoods where/when X happened."

    <SNIP> Nor will your sight be limited to your godswood. The singers carved
    eyes into their heart trees to awaken them, and those are the first eyes a new greenseer learns to use
    but in time you will see well beyond the trees themselves.

  • Even if R+L=J Jon Snow has to still be a bastard because Rhaegar was already married.
    Targaryens have been involved in polygamous marriage in the past. Targaryen Family Tree
  • Azor Ahai reborn and the Prince that was Promised are different people. This is listed as a point of reference rather than an absolute truth. That said, the characters in aSoIaF who are familiar with the prophecies do use the terms interchangeably. Religions of Westeros - GRRM

    All of them seemed surprised to hear Maester Aemon murmur, “It is the war for the dawn you speak of, my lady. But where is the prince that was promised?” “He stands before you,” Melisandre declared, “though you do not have the eyes to see it. Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai come again, the warrior of fire.”

  • 'Valonqar' is, or may be gender-neutral. This likely misconception seems to stem from the fact that the High Valyrian word for 'dragon' is gender-neutral. The reason for this is that dragons have no gender differentiation, unlike humans.
    In the case of 'valonqar' all indications are that the word specifically means 'little brother'. From Maggy the Frog's wiki page:

    She allowed Cersei three questions and made the prophecy of the valonqar (High Valyrian for "little brother")...

    and

    Cersei:"Will the king and I have children?"
    Maggy:"Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you."
    Maggy:"Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds," she said. "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."(emphasis mine)

  • Rhaegar disappearing with Lyanna started the war known as Robert's Rebellion. This was not the beginning of the rebellion but, in fact, the prologue. A minor distinction to some, but also an important one. The Cliffsnotes version:
  • R+L
  • Arrest and detention of Brandon Stark, et al.
  • Summoning to King's Landing of Rickard Stark, et al.
  • Executions without trial of Rickard and Brandon Stark, et al.
  • Aerys II orders Jon Arryn to send him the heads of Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark.
  • Jon Arryn refuses. Instead, He, Robert and Ned raised their respective banners in revolt, and thus began Robert's Rebellion; aka The War of the Usurper.
A more detailed account (minus "et als." /lol.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />) can be found here: Robert's Rebellion
  • Because many people on the internet (a fraction of the total readership) have figured out R+L=J, GRRM might change it.
    Spoiler

Edited by J. Stargaryen, 24 August 2013 - 05:41 PM.


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Posted 11 August 2012 - 06:49 PM

Ashara Dayne's child is Aegon, and Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne

Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he was looking at Ashara's daughter . . . But Ashara's daughter had been stillborn, and her fair lady had thrown herself from a tower soon after, mad with grief over the child she lost, and perhaps for the man who had dishonored her at Harrenhal as well. . . . If I had unhorsed Rhaegar and crowned Ashara queen of love and beauty, might she have looked to me instead of Stark?



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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:22 PM

Targaryens cannot get sick.
Dany has been sick and/or feverish twice in the series. Once in AGOT after the stillbirth of her son and once in ADWD after eating bad berries and/or drinking bad water.

Several Targaryens died during the Great Spring Sickness including King Daeron and two of his sons. Another Daeron, Daeron the Drunken (who had sandy brown hair), died of pox.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:26 PM

From a recent thread.... not Targaryen related (or is it.....)

Catelyn emotionally abused Jon and made his life at Winterfell a living hell

Completely and 100% not true. She kept silent while he played with her children, and kept all her emotions to herself. Just because she'd rather have Jon in a coma than Bran does not mean she abused him his entire life.

Edited by Mr Motte, 11 August 2012 - 08:27 PM.


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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:31 PM

Hot Pie is Azor Ahai Reborn

There is virtually no evidence of this being the case, anywhere in the books. Yet this is the most common misconception that I frequently hear from fans, both from the television show and the novels.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:34 PM

Hot Pie is Azor Ahai Reborn

There is virtually no evidence of this being the case, anywhere in the books. Yet this is the most common misconception that I frequently hear from fans, both from the television show and the novels.


True, there's much better evidence for Hodor or Dolorous Edd.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:34 PM

Hot Pie is Azor Ahai Reborn

There is virtually no evidence of this being the case, anywhere in the books. Yet this is the most common misconception that I frequently hear from fans, both from the television show and the novels.


there is salt and smoke in the kitchens dude.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:43 PM

there is salt and smoke in the kitchens dude.

So, I was in a kitchen earlier today. There was some salt, and I burned the Hot Pocket (no relation) in the microwave, causing a large amount of smoke to billow out. Am I Azor Ahai?

Just not enough. You're going to have to trust me on this, Hot Pie could possibly be a warg and a secret Targ, but he is no Azor Ahai.

#9 J. Stargaryen

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:59 PM

Thanks guys. I'll start adding your suggestions to the OP probably tomorrow. Well, except for the Hot Pie stuff... /lol.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:50 PM

So, I was in a kitchen earlier today. There was some salt, and I burned the Hot Pocket (no relation) in the microwave, causing a large amount of smoke to billow out. Am I Azor Ahai?

Just not enough. You're going to have to trust me on this, Hot Pie could possibly be a warg and a secret Targ, but he is no Azor Ahai.


don't know maybe you are... in which part of westeros were you exactly ?

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:54 PM

Benjen is Coldhands. Coldhands died "long ago" Benjen has been missing for around two years.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 03:37 AM

That revenge is wrong in Westeros .In the Rat cook story it says a man has a right to revenge.
i could be wrong of course

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:04 AM

Bran's Greensight is limited to weirdwoods. i.e.: "Bran shan't see X, because there were no weirdwoods where/when X happened."


“Once you have mastered your gifts, you may look where you will and see what the trees have
seen, be it yesterday or last year or a thousand ages past. Men live their lives trapped in an eternal
present, between the mists of memory and the sea of shadow that is all we know of the days to come.
Certain moths live their whole lives in a day, yet to them that little span of time must seem as long as
years and decades do to us. An oak may live three hundred years, a redwood tree three thousand. A
weirwood will live forever if left undisturbed. To them seasons pass in the flutter of a moth’s wing, and
past, present, and future are one. Nor will your sight be limited to your godswood. The singers carved
eyes into their heart trees to awaken them, and those are the first eyes a new greenseer learns to use
but in time you will see well beyond the trees themselves.



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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:37 PM

I've updated the OP. Some suggestions were not included, as I felt they did not meet the criteria. I'm looking to be able to definitively rule out certain notions. The evidence against Benjen being Coldhands is pretty compelling, but not quite definitive, for example.

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:41 PM

I'll come back with evidence, but Valyrian is NOT gender-neutral, and therefore valonqar could not refer to a female character. It is the word dragon specifically that is gender-neutral in Valyrian, because dragons have no fixed gender. This comes from Maester Aemon in a Sam POV, I believe, when they are talking about why Dany could be the person they are waiting for.

Also, nowhere in the books does it say anything about Daven Lannister getting married at Riverrun. Is it possible that he might? Yes. But the books themselves say nothing about it, nor when the wedding is going to happen. He has not even picked a Frey yet.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:18 PM

Rhaegar disappearing with Lyanna started the war known as Robert's Rebellion. This was not the beginning of the rebellion but, in fact, the prologue. A minor distinction to some, but also an important one. The Cliffsnotes version:
  • R+L
  • Arrest and detention of Brandon Stark, et al.
  • Summoning to King's Landing of Rickard Stark, et al.
  • Executions without trial of Rickard and Brandon Stark, et al.
  • Aerys II orders Jon Arryn to send him the heads of Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark.
  • Jon Arryn refuses, and raises his banners; thus the beginning of the rebellion.
A more detailed account (minus "et als." /lol.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />) can be found here: Robert's Rebellion

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:22 PM


AA and the Prince that was Promised may well be the same person, but the Religions of Westeros video does not establish that this is the case. The video you provided from Martin clearly has him speaking from Melisandre's point of view about what she believes, not from the objective point of view of the author.

As for the quote from the text, all that really tells us is that Aemon and Melisandre share a belief that they are the same figure. We've seen both characters make mistakes. Neither is infallible and people in Martin's world have a habit of being wrong when they confidently make bold assertions about something important.

Edited by Sevumar, 16 August 2012 - 11:27 PM.


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:32 PM

AA and the Prince that was Promised may well be the same person, but the Religions of Westeros video does not establish that this is the case. The video you provided from Martin clearly has him speaking from Melisandre's point of view about what she believes, not from the objective point of view of the author.

As for the quote from the text, all that really tells us is that Aemon and Melisandre share a belief that they are the same figure. We've seen both characters make mistakes. Neither is infallible and people in Martin's world have a habit of being wrong when they confidently make bold assertions about something important.


I'll take a look at it, thanks. I have to admit I snipped those bits from another thread.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:51 PM

That in order to be a Targaryen you have to have at least Silver hair, or purple eyes. This is so not true.
That is you have silver hair or purple eyes you must be part Targaryen. This is so not true.

Lets Start from the beginning. (RVT will be used for those who had the regular Valyrian traits of Silver hair and purple eyes)

Aegon I; RVT
Visenya: RVT
Rhaenys: RVT

These three being the original line of the Westeros Targaryens. And are the blueprint for the RVT which is Silver-blonde hair and purple eyes which all three had.
*I did note a difference in the shade of purple in certain characters eyes.

Maegor I: RVT
Aenys: RVT
Jaehaerys I: RVT
Alysanne: Silver hair, clear blue eyes
*brother and sister/husband+wife
Viserys I: RVT
Rhaenyra: RVT
Aegon II: RVT
Aemond: ?
Aegon III: RVT
Viserys II: RVT
Daeron I: RVT
Rhaena: silver-gold/more gold purple eyes
Elaena: platinum white/gold streak soft lilac eyes
Baelor I: RVT
Daena: RVT
*brothers and sisters
Aegon IV: RVT
Naerys: RVT
Aemon: ?
Daemon Blackfyre: RVT
Aegor Bittersteel Rivers: black hair, purple eyes
Brynden Bloodraven Rivers: albino, red eyes
Shiera Seastar: silver-gold hair, blue eye, green eye
*great bastards all had differnet mothers
Daeron II: RVT
Daenerys I: ?
Aegon Blackfyre: ?
Aemn Blackfyre:?
Daemon II: RVT
Haegon: ?
Baelor Breakspear: dark hair, dark eyes
Aerys I: RVT
Aelinor: ?
Rhaegal:?
Maekar I: pale blone almost white, violet eyes
*brothers and sisters
Valarr: dark hair, blue eyes
Matarys: ?
Daeron: sandy brown, ?
Aerion: RVT
Maester Aemon:?
Aegon V: RVT
Rhae: ?
Daella:?
*brothers and sisters
Duncan:?
Jaehaerys II: RVT
Rhaelle:?
Aerys II: RVT
Rhaella:?
Rhaegar: RVT
Viserys:RVT
Daenerys:RVT
Rhaenys: brown hair dark eyes
*father(Rhaegar) had RVT mother(Elia) was dornish and had dark hair and dark eyes
Aegon VI: as a babe fair haired

Edited by The Summer Islander, 17 August 2012 - 04:09 AM.


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 11:59 PM

  • Targaryens cannot get sick.
    Dany has been sick and/or feverish twice in the series. Once in AGOT after the stillbirth of her son and once in ADWD after eating bad berries and/or drinking bad water.
    Several Targaryens died during the Great Spring Sickness including King Daeron and two of his sons. Another Daeron, Daeron the Drunken (who had sandy brown hair), died of pox.

No, his grandsons.