GRRM Bloopers

[Lion of Judah]

This may not be a blooper but when Catelyn meets Jeyne Westerling she gives a very specific description of the girl and so does Jamie Lannister when he negotiated with her mother. Thing is both their descriptions of the same girl are very different.

[Foxhound]

This may not be a blooper but when Catelyn meets Jeyne Westerling she gives a very specific description of the girl and so does Jamie Lannister when he negotiated with her mother. Thing is both their descriptions of the same girl are very different.

There's a theory that assumes the two different description are not a blooper. It goes that the girl Jaime saw was not really Jeyne, instead it was her sister. The real Jeyne, possibly pregnant, was smuggled out of Riverrun by the Blackfish. I'm not sold on it completely, but's it's interesting.

[Currawong]

This last one is INSANE. I never noticed it, but looked for re-reading the Jaime POVs in ASOS and I can't believe they missed that. He had a sword and a dagger!

Yes. It only part registered when I first read it - guess I assumed that Jaime had put the belt aside when he lay down to sleep, and simply not bothered with it when they rode back the next day. He didn't seem too impressed with the travesty of wearing a sword when they left Harrenhal the first time, and seemed to accept Bolton's choice of clothing because it wasn't worth arguing. If he'd just slung it over his saddle when they started back, he may just have leaped down to rescue Brienne without thinking about being armed!

[Child of Spring]

I've got two.

First. When Dany emerged from the pyre, she was bald. The night before she arrived in Qarth, her hair was just starting to come back in. The little hair she had, most likely burned I'm the house of the undying. After she emerged from the house of the undying, Jhiqui braided her hair in the Dothraki fashion and fastened a silver bell to the end of the braid. Even if her little amount of hair wasn't burned off again, there is no way it was long enough for a braid.

Yeah, I also noticed that. There is no way her hair grows so quickly, Targaryen or not :lol: .

[Sand Snake No. 9]

Tyrion ordered the chain when he came to KL as temp Hand. He was very annoyed after the Blackwater when he woke up and found that Tywin had taken the chain. I remember thinking that it was immature of him to forget that he was only temp Hand and it was perfectly reasonable for Tywin to take up the position upon his arrival at KL.

Not to mention the fact that Tyrion was pulled from a pile of dead bodies and wasn't expected to live.

But here's the thing -- if faithful Pod was there to save Tyrion from the evil Mandon Moore, why would he leave his wounded Lord behind to be numbered among the corpses?

[Ser Guinea Pig]

Yes. It only part registered when I first read it - guess I assumed that Jaime had put the belt aside when he lay down to sleep, and simply not bothered with it when they rode back the next day. He didn't seem too impressed with the travesty of wearing a sword when they left Harrenhal the first time, and seemed to accept Bolton's choice of clothing because it wasn't worth arguing. If he'd just slung it over his saddle when they started back, he may just have leaped down to rescue Brienne without thinking about being armed!

I tried to think that but he was probably still getting quite a lot of help dressing at that point and easier for everyone involved if everything was just bunged back on him, and he could have made a fuss but then again he knew he was probably going back into a situation where being armed would be better than not. It has always just grated, I realise it is important to get his mindset on how useless he thinks he is with a sword at that point but it just ruined the moment for me.

[Ser Maxwell]

Not a blooper, but I privately view A Song of Ice and Fire as an example of Alliteration Gone Mad.

The amount of alliteration in character names, place names, event names and general dialogue and prose is mind blowing.

It seems to be a pet technique of Martin's that he uses for effect, but hell, I've never seen it used so liberally.

Have you never read a Marvel comic...?

I don't have a reference but at one point I remember reading about Septon Chayle being at the Wall, where Martin clearly meant Septon Cellador, in A Storm of Swords.

Also I think Tyrion mentions his "nephew" when referring to Lancel in A Clash of Kings.

[Tagganaro]

This one always really bothers me-

In AFFC, Sam refers to the baby with him and Gilly as a "son of Mance Rayder and a grandson of Craster", which just makes no sense. Either a terrible blooper by GRRM, an example of POV untrustworthiness from Sam, or one of Mance/Dalla is a son or daughter of Craster. All of them seem equally as unlikely. How could GRRM make such a mistake? Why would Sam have this mistaken POV for no reason? How could Dalla escape from marrying Craster and if Craster was Mance's father he wouldn't survive long enough to be taken in as a boy by the NW?

[Michael Snow]

I have a big extended family and refer to a lot of my cousins as uncle, or aunt, because they're a generation or two above me and it's just the natural state of things. I don't know how common that is, but, you know... something to consider in this Lancel nephew-cousin thread of discussion.

[Ser_Patreck]

Have you never read a Marvel comic...?

I don't have a reference but at one point I remember reading about Septon Chayle being at the Wall, where Martin clearly meant Septon Cellador, in A Storm of Swords.

Also I think Tyrion mentions his "nephew" when referring to Lancel in A Clash of Kings.

On the "nephew" thing - I think it has to do with age, really, more than anything. Tyrion is in his late twenties, Jaime and Cersei are 9 years older, almost 40. Lance is what, 16? I think it does make sense that they'd call him their "nephew", sometimes. I do have older cousins I tend to think of as "aunts".

[Magic 8 Ball]

Ok, I've been re-reading ASOS, and I noticed at Jaime's first meeting as commander of the King's guard :

Osmund Kettleblack wargs into Oswell Kettleblack and back again.

I remember when I first read that, I was imagining both Kettleblacks were on the King'sguard.

People come up with strategies for differentiating the Kettleblack brothers while they read, but it's all in vain because GRRM can't even keep them straight!

[rmholt]

IIRC Cercei addressed to Lancel once as her nephew instead of a cousin...

Yeah that was Kevan

[rmholt]

In ADwD, JonCon starts talking but... wait for it... the end of his speech isn't closed with a quotation mark!

ABSOLUTE MADNESS!

Ha ha I just came across this on a re read. I almost filled them in myself.

[rmholt]

The Summer Islanders go from ebony to jet to ebony to jet, then to nut brown and teak.

Aron Santagar and Preston Greenfield switch cause of death but that could be put down to narrator memory problems.

[rmholt]

GRRM fails to mention Hot Pies' radiant purple eyes and flowing silvery hair, despite the fact that it's quite obvious that Hot Pie is a secret Targ.

He doesnt have to mention it -

[rmholt]

When Jamie saw Brienne naked, GRRM didn't mention the fat pink mast between her legs.

It was implied when Jaime got aroused.

[RenlyIsNotRight]

There's a theory that assumes the two different description are not a blooper. It goes that the girl Jaime saw was not really Jeyne, instead it was her sister. The real Jeyne, possibly pregnant, was smuggled out of Riverrun by the Blackfish. I'm not sold on it completely, but's it's interesting.

Yeah I was about to point this one out. Specifically, Catelyn goes on about Jeyne having "good hips" to the point that it's annoying but then Jaime specifically describes her as having "narrow" hips when he meets her. It almost feels like too big of a jump to be a mistake but if it is one...lol @ how its led to all these crazy theories.

[tze]

In ASOS, when Tormund is escorting Jon to treat with Mance Rayder (right before Stannis launches his sneak attack), Tormund tells Jon all about how Longspear Ryk "stole" (married) his daughter Munda. Then in ADWD, immediately after their negotiations for Tormund's group to cross the Wall, Tormund again informs Jon about Munda's marriage to Longspear Ryk, presenting that information as "new" to Jon even though Tormund himself already told Jon all about it in ASOS.

[Helgar]

In ASOS, when Tormund is escorting Jon to treat with Mance Rayder (right before Stannis launches his sneak attack), Tormund tells Jon all about how Longspear Ryk "stole" (married) his daughter Munda. Then in ADWD, immediately after their negotiations for Tormund's group to cross the Wall, Tormund again informs Jon about Munda's marriage to Longspear Ryk, presenting that information as "new" to Jon even though Tormund himself already told Jon all about it in ASOS.

Er, I don't think that's a mistake. He didn't present the information as new to Jon; it was like a continuation of their previous discussion, kind of like "hey, remember when I told you how Longspear Ryk stole my daughter? Well, anyway, they got married now."

[tze]

Er, I don't think that's a mistake. He didn't present the information as new to Jon; it was like a continuation of their previous discussion, kind of like "hey, remember when I told you how Longspear Ryk stole my daughter? Well, anyway, they got married now."

"Stole" and "marry" are the same thing with the wildlings. And Tormund's exact words in ADWD are:

“Munda.” That brought Tormund’s smile back. “Took that Longspear Ryk to husband, if you believe it. Boy’s got more cock than sense, you ask me, but he treats her well enough."

There's nothing in this that indicates Tormund is continuing a previous conversation, and in fact, repeating that Ryk and Munda got married "if you believe it" makes no sense here, because that's a phrase you use if you think the information you're conveying is not already known to the person you're addressing, and Jon explicitly already knows this. If I tell someone that Person A and Person B got married, then telling that same person later that Person A and Person B got married, "if you believe it", makes no sense.