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[Robert Sand]

I personally hope nobody saves her this time, either she grows up and does something on her own or i'd prefer people just let her be the typical lady puppet, sadly i think LF will inevitably mess up that wish.

[Little Red Riding Hood]

"In the game of thrones, even the humblest pieces can have wills of their own. Sometimes they refuse to make the moves you've planned."

[Brienne Of Bombay]

As long as Brienne has hunted for Sansa, I was hoping she discovers her..

[Hill]

Robert Sand, on 09 January 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

I personally hope nobody saves her this time, either she grows up and does something on her own or i'd prefer people just let her be the typical lady puppet, sadly i think LF will inevitably mess up that wish.

I agree, I think the whole point is that she learns and matures through rescuing herself, perhaps with the help of that Baratheon bastard lady down the hill. She (Sansa) has a lot to do to redeem herself in the eye of the reader- suffering alone won't do it, she has to be admirable too.

[juanml82]

Exactly. It's not even a matter of suffering, she had enough of that, it's a matter of being useful. I really hope she'll be leading the Vale by TWOW and using it's army for something - help Stannis, get her uncle killed while trying to raise the Riverlands' support, send the Knights of the Vale to the Wall to fight the Others. Something.

[hrafna]

i think sansa will (for the most part) get herself out of trouble. i just can't help thinking that her and the hound will end up together. so much emphasis on her admiring beauty and him being hateful, both are learning to change.

[juanml82]

Well, he's too lowborn to marry her so, at best, they'll end up lovers and that can cause some serious conflict when discovered, as in the Hound killing Sansa's third husband

[Lord Damian]

Here is a twist, perhaps Kings Landing is abruptly put to seige or the peasants storm the city and the trials never take place. Cersei and tommen flee for there lives.

[MadFox]

I have not read all the way through the thread at the moment. Twenty pages is a little much, for the time being. However, I would like to state that I would much rather Sansa herself rescuse herself but if not, then what better way for Jamie Lannister to redeem himself then playing some part in her rescuse. Besides we do know that Brienne of Tarth is at least told Jamie that she knows where she is so, she might and her and jamie got to the rescue. Also is it not stated that Sansa and her sister Arya will marry southern lords? Maybe her and Jamie might be it or not who really knows but GRRM.

[jeg521]

Sansa i think will die. Probably she kills petyr and dies in the process. Starks are bound to their direwolves after all and Sansa had already lost Lady so i its just a matter of time before her death. Also GRRM hasnt killed any starks for a while. So i think its about time..

[eggs]

She's going to save herself. Didnt the little dwarf woman that Arya ran into confirm that Sansa will be killing LF? Either that or shes going to kill a literal giant in an ice castle.

Little Red Riding Hood, on 09 January 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

"In the game of thrones, even the humblest pieces can have wills of their own. Sometimes they refuse to make the moves you've planned."

Exactly.

[Grail King]

jeg521, on 14 January 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

Sansa i think will die. Probably she kills petyr and dies in the process. Starks are bound to their direwolves after all and Sansa had already lost Lady so i its just a matter of time before her death. Also GRRM hasnt killed any starks for a while. So i think its about time..

I for one hope not, all the kids are learning specific skills with Sansa learning a skill the Starks desperately need, namely political skills, she has great communication skills and empathy, she is smart and observant but still young and a bit naive some observation of how Balelish works could propel her to a more seasoned political player where she can help her family and the realm.

It seems to me they are emotionally tied to their wolves but just because the wolf died doesn't mean she will, Robb died because he didn't head Greywind's warning, Jon is stabbed because he didn't keep Ghost near, Sansa lost hers by a vindictive Queen, not due to any warning that she did not head from Lady.

[Ice Turtle]

Grail King, on 14 January 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

It seems to me they are emotionally tied to their wolves but just because the wolf died doesn't mean she will, Robb died because he didn't head Greywind's warning, Jon is stabbed because he didn't keep Ghost near, Sansa lost hers by a vindictive Queen, not due to any warning that she did not head from Lady.

But she did abandon Lady in a way. Joffrey told her to leave her with Sandor and she did.

[Blue Rose Direwolf]

I haven't read through this whole thread so apologies if I'm just repeating.

I've suspected for a while that in Sansa's story arc GRRM wants to show that she matures from the naive girl who expects a rescue to a mature and cunning woman who rescues herself and others. And one of the first things she has to save herself from is rape from Littlefinger. He's going to try it at some point. Of course, she has concerns like regaining Winterfell, finding her family, saving SweetRobin, etc etc but I think the rape is going to be an event. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am.

Also, I worried for a while that Lady dying meant Sansa would die herself but now I see it more as the death of her innocence and naivetee. In AGoT Ned thinks as he's looking at Lady that she's the smallest and gentlest of the pack, the most trusting (I'm paraphrasing). He thinks that Sansa is right to call her Lady. That makes him sad because he knows he has to kill her.

Can anyone remember if Lady showed any distrust of Joffrey in AGoT? I'm trying to think back but I'm coming up blank.


*edited GoT to AGoT. I was talking about the books, not the show. Sorry for any confusion.

Edited by Blue Rose Direwolf, 14 January 2013 - 04:46 PM.

[bemused]

I think Sansa may yet develop her skinchanging abilities to some degree... There are Ned's thoughts about Lady , as Blue Rose Direwolf mentions , and then , doesn't Robert tell Ned to get her a dog as a more suitable pet ? ( And yes , I know ..a dog  ,The Hound , Sandor calling dogs his brothers , but I don't think they'll develop a warg bond) ... Still , there was the connection she made with the old dog at LF's holding , so I wonder if an actual dog might bond with her while she's with the Royces ( maybe Harry will give her one.. )

All Ned's offspring are wargs. The ability may not be as strong in Sansa as in some of her siblings , or it might need to be matched with something gentler than a wolf , but I just feel she will form a bond , somehow...which could be very helpful to her in gaining authority , agency ,etc . within herself ( and in finding out what LF is really up to ).

Edited by bemused, 14 January 2013 - 03:17 PM.

[WightWolf]

is there proof that all of the stark children are wargs?

[Blue Rose Direwolf]

bemused, on 14 January 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

I think Sansa may yet develop her skinchanging abilities to some degree... There are Ned's thoughts about Lady , as Blue Rose Direwolf mentions , and then , doesn't Robert tell Ned to get her a dog as a more suitable pet ? ( And yes , I know ..a dog  ,The Hound , Sandor calling dogs his brothers , but I don't think they'll develop a warg bond) ... Still , there was the connection she made with the old dog at LF's holding , so I wonder if an actual dog might bond with her while she's with the Royces ( maybe Harry will give her one.. )

All Ned's offspring are wargs. The ability may not be as strong in Sansa as in some of her siblings , or it might need to be matched with something gentler than a wolf , but I just feel she will form a bond , somehow...which could be very helpful to her in gaining authority , agency ,etc . within herself ( and in finding out what LF is really up to ).

I'd love for Sansa to be a warg! Still, I'm skeptical. I do remember her having thoughts of her brothers and sister but I don't remember any actual evidence of magical abilities. But I might be wrong, I hope I am.

But wouldn't it be epic if she warged into Littlefinger and then used him as her puppet? Talk about payback! I live in hope...

[Gannicus]

I don't buy the warging stuff. But I hope Sansa saves herself. It would be great if she could finally do something for herself and family. I wouldn't say she needs to be redeemed but a lot of readers are still waiting for her to become a player. We see the Starks make bold move after bold move, Sansa needs to do something bold before she becomes a true Stark.

Edited by Gannicus, 15 January 2013 - 01:10 AM.

[bemused]

WightWolf, on 14 January 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

is there proof that all of the stark children are wargs?

GRRM has confirmed in interviews that all Ned's offspring are wargs.

So Sansa has the ability / talent , whatever you want to call it.. She simply didn't have time to develop it with Lady. Whether she ever will ,or to what degree , remains to be seen.

Edited by bemused, 15 January 2013 - 02:00 AM.

[jeg521]

bemused, on 14 January 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

I think Sansa may yet develop her skinchanging abilities to some degree... There are Ned's thoughts about Lady , as Blue Rose Direwolf mentions , and then , doesn't Robert tell Ned to get her a dog as a more suitable pet ? ( And yes , I know ..a dog  ,The Hound , Sandor calling dogs his brothers , but I don't think they'll develop a warg bond) ... Still , there was the connection she made with the old dog at LF's holding , so I wonder if an actual dog might bond with her while she's with the Royces ( maybe Harry will give her one.. )

All Ned's offspring are wargs. The ability may not be as strong in Sansa as in some of her siblings , or it might need to be matched with something gentler than a wolf , but I just feel she will form a bond , somehow...which could be very helpful to her in gaining authority , agency ,etc . within herself ( and in finding out what LF is really up to ).

House Starks banner is a direwolf. It would be really weird for Sansa to have a dog rather than a direwolf like the rest of the starks. If there is a major part that sansa is about to play that would be killing petyr. after that though (if she survives) i have no idea.