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[Ariane Martell]

Ned found Lyanna bleeding in a bed. If we don't consider that she was bleeding because she just gave birth; someone probably attacked her.
There's also a chance that Ned's men tried to demolish ToJ, that would explain why they fought only against 3 KG. But that's very unlikely move for the honorable Ned, and there's a possibility that he knew that Lyanna was there which kinda make it even more unlikely.
Did the KG pulled a "Dark Star" and wounded Lyanna? Was it a order from Rhaegar?
Was she sick before that's why Rhaegar "kidnapped" her? So they could spend her last days together.

What do you guys think?

Edited by Ariane Martell, 23 August 2012 - 08:39 AM.

[King Aemon I]

One of the kingsguard raped her and killed her..

[King Aemon I]

Or she gave birth to dead born..

[BannermanOfDorne]

King Aemon I, on 23 August 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

One of the kingsguard raped her and killed her..

Seems unlikely if you think about it, but that would be one of the better explanations. Either that or there was someone else involved.

[Cat of the Canal Girl]

If we only need to satisfy the premise that R+L=J is false, Lyanna could have died birthing a child other than Jon.

[AsoiafFTW!]

R+M=G, on 23 August 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

If we only need to satisfy the premise that R+L=J is false, Lyanna could have died birthing a child other than Jon.

indeed and i hope it's true.

[BannermanOfDorne]

Yes, she could have died because she gave birth to a possible other baby, but still I do think someone else who's identity we don't yet know, was involved in the entire TOJ-thing.

[AsoiafFTW!]

King Aemon I, on 23 August 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

One of the kingsguard raped her and killed her..

it seems unlikely we have arthur dayne the most knightly knight of westeros, he would not stand by while one of his brothers raped lyanna.
on the other hand he may very well stab her and let her bleed to death on orders of is prince/king.

Edited by AsoiafFTW!, 23 August 2012 - 09:37 AM.

[Ariane Martell]

BannermanOfDorne, on 23 August 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

Yes, she could have died because she gave birth to a possible other baby, but still I do think someone else who's identity we don't yet know, was involved in the entire TOJ-thing.

who will this person be? what would be his/her importance?

[Pellaeon]

Rhaegar or Aerys ordered her death if they lose the war or Dayne just revenged Elia and her children by taking Roberts love away

Edited by Pellaeon, 23 August 2012 - 09:22 AM.

[BannermanOfDorne]

Ariane Martell, on 23 August 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

who will this person be? what would be his/her importance?

I have no idea, I have no facts to back this up what so ever, so it's really more of a hunch.
It's just that we know only bits and pieces of the events in TOJ and that's just the battle with the KG and the last moment Ned had with Lyanna.
At first I always assumed there were more people with them in TOJ but after re-reading those bits, I realized that it didn't seem that way.
Still I just think there was more to it and that there might have been more people there (or just one more). And maybe there will be some kind of revelation when that person steps forward.
But this might be getting a little bit off-topic.

Edited by BannermanOfDorne, 23 August 2012 - 09:31 AM.

[The Red God]

She was giving birth to Darkstar. Jon Snow is truly the bastard of Ned/Ashara making him have Dayne blood and will end up with Dawn and being AAR.

Lyanna's promise to Ned was to make sure that her son stayed out of the Game of Thrones. After Arthur was killed, Ned took Dawn back to Starfall, well why not Lyanna's baby as well to replace the child he was taking from Ashara? Only that wasn't good enough for her so she jumped off the cliff. What is there left to do with this new secret child other than sending him to the cadet house in High Hermitage to be raised as an unknown?

Boom!

[Lady Sansa Stark]

The Red God, on 23 August 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

She was giving birth to Darkstar. Jon Snow is truly the bastard of Ned/Ashara making him have Dayne blood and will end up with Dawn and being AAR.

Lyanna's promise to Ned was to make sure that her son stayed out of the Game of Thrones. After Arthur was killed, Ned took Dawn back to Starfall, well why not Lyanna's baby as well to replace the child he was taking from Ashara? Only that wasn't good enough for her so she jumped off the cliff. What is there left to do with this new secret child other than sending him to the cadet house in High Hermitage to be raised as an unknown?

Boom!

Darkstar is too old for that.
Tower of Joy happened in 283, and it's currently the year of 300.. Meaning the son of Lyanna has to be around 16-17 now. Darkstar is 19. Jon Snow however, was born in 283, near the end of the Rebellion. Ashara Dayne shortly after that committed suicide.

[The Red God]

It doesn't matter if he's 17 as I've told you a million times!! Robb was whipping Tywin's ass and looking "kingly" at 16 as well as trying to have a son. There are a million examples of parallelism I could also point to but if you don't get it you just don't get it. Arianne is 23 yes, but she never says that Darkstar is of an age with her, just that he is good looking. IF you don't think someone, especially the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna could not look like a man at 17 years old, you just have zero understanding for this world, I'm sorry.

[Lonin]

If R + L = J is not true.  The bloody bed phrase is used to connote child birth,  suppose that assumption is incorrect - Lyanna did run away with R, but shamed by all the harm it caused, she commits suicide by cutting her wrists/stabbing herself resulting in the bloody bed.  The promise is that Ned can not reveal that she went willingly.





Do we actually know Gerold Dayne/Darkstar age?? I think he is too old for R + L = Darkstar, but I m not sure of his actual age.

[The Red God]

No, there is no inclination to Darkstar's age at all. You don't know what he's been up to his whole life....

Arya is 10 YEARS OLD!! You don't think in 7 whole years of her living the life she is, you don't think she would look like a woman? I mean, come on here folks.

[Lady Sansa Stark]

The Red God, on 23 August 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

It doesn't matter if he's 17 as I've told you a million times!! Robb was whipping Tywin's ass and looking "kingly" at 16 as well as trying to have a son. There are a million examples of parallelism I could also point to but if you don't get it you just don't get it. Arianne is 23 yes, but she never says that Darkstar is of an age with her, just that he is good looking. IF you don't think someone, especially the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna could not look like a man at 17 years old, you just have zero understanding for this world, I'm sorry.

Boy, that escalated quickly, didn't it? The one moment I merely make a comment on something you said and the other moment I'm, apparently, a silly little girl who doesn't understand shit of this world. You don't hear me saying anything about that you don't understand the world if you can't even take it when someone disagrees with you, do you?

Robb and Jon are frequently referred to as boys, even when they're King and Lord Commander of the Night's Watch respectively. Gerold Dayne however is never called a boy but always called a man, indicating he has to be older than the both of them.

[The Red God]

I just speak in facts here, that isn't the first post I've seen of yours, and I'll leave it at that since you clearly won't change your mind even when those same facts are laid in front of you. Silly little bird.

[Lady Sansa Stark]

The Red God, on 23 August 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

I just speak in facts here, that isn't the first post I've seen of yours, and I'll leave it at that since you clearly won't change your mind even when those same facts are laid in front of you. Silly little bird.

Haha, you make me laugh. Think that hurts me, don't you? Dream on.

Just accept the fact that there are people with opinions on this board. Look it up in a dictionary if you don't know what that word means.

Edited by Lady Sansa Stark, 23 August 2012 - 11:08 AM.

[Light a wight tonight]

All that is known is that Lyanna died in a situation that suggests childbirth. Well, also Arthur Dayne died and Howland Reed was present, and that Lyanna made Ned promise something. Let's say for the sake of argument that she gave birth to.........Young Griff/Aegon. Ned's promise could have been not to let King Bob kill the baby for being a Targ. (Was Robert king yet? Had he started his anti-Targ campaign?)