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[Gaius the Builder]

I think the prologue will be like the others: a character who has had little or no facetime at all in any of the PoV chapters, and who is insignificant themselves but is involved with or observes a significant plot detail before being killed.

That said, I believe the prologue might come in one of the following two forms:

1) I see it being a Dothraki soldier (I'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet) who is opposed to Dany (a woman) leading yet another army of Dothraki. If she actually does get them to "bend the knee" with Drogon, I see this soldier speaking out against it as the army marches in one direction or another and is killed because of it.

2) Another Maester, probably someone at the Citadel, who recognizes Pate (Jaqen H'gar supposedly) as having an Archmaester's key and releasing / discovering whatever it is Jaqen's plan is before being killed. This gives us a nice segue into the happenings of Oldtown and a good place to pick up Sam's tale.

[Lord Liam DarkStark]

A citadel maester would make sense. Idk about a dothraki soldier. Although it might be interesting. I do think it more likely to have a maester from somewhere else though. There will be citadel happenings in the sam chapters.

Edited by liam stark, 12 September 2012 - 04:33 PM.

[Sand Snake No. 9]

I like the symbolism of a maester being killed by magical means because the maesters have been hard at work suppressing magic and have probably suppressed the means to oppose the Others with it -- or something like that.

My choices for Maesters biting it the prologue would be (1) Qyburn -- maybe he's the one who gets killed by Robert Strong, (2) the Tyrell maester appointed to replace Pycelle, or (3) the maester of Storm's End, who is there when Aegon etc. take the fortress.

[Gaius the Builder]

I really like the idea of the Storm's End Maester, but remember, the prologue character usually dies. Unless he's killed accidentally, Aegon and Jon Connington don't seem the type to execute people or kill someone unless they pose a direct threat. Maybe for security reasons? But by that logic, they should've killed Tyrion, so who knows. Neat ideas, though!

[Lord Liam DarkStark]

Didn't they kill the maester in a dance with dragons. The one at griffin's roost

[Scarlet Seastar]

Yes, because he sent out ravens. They killed the ravens too, they wanted their landing to remain a secret from the Iron Throne.
Though it didn't, we see the Knight of Griffin's Roost before Kevan. So a raven must have survived.
I don't remember what did the Iron Throne know in the epilogue. May be they took Storm's End, and that's where the raven came from, but that prologue would be useless to the story.
I think we need a northern prologue. Winterfell or the Wall.
My other choice would be the Citadel, or KL.

[Lord Liam DarkStark]

I just think a KL epilogue then prologue is unlikely. Same with northern prologue to prologue. Although I love the northern prologues.

[Lonely Wanderer]

George prefers to write chapters from the point of view of characters who will stay alive for a while(except for prologues and epilogues). Making Arys a POV character was a mistake according to GRRM since it all could've been told from the view of Arianne instead. I think it is possible that one of the Tyrell brothers will be raised as a POV character.. it would be interesting if Loras wouldn't die but instead found some Valyrian stuff from Dragonstone, or if the Highgarden's payback was told with Garlan's eyes.

[Shaggy]

With respect to all great ideas for WoW prologue, I would be really disappointed if we don't see RICKON STARK as POV in the prologue. I mean, that would be totally awesome, both from literary point of view and for enhancing the plotline, learning more about Skagos, maybe even doom of Hardhome...

[Lord Liam DarkStark]

Then rickon would have to die. I hate that idea.

[Lord Liam DarkStark]

And he is a child. How interesting would it be to read a story in the POV of a six yr old.
I would love to learn about skagos. But we can get that from Davos. Why should it be rickon?

[Shaggy]

liam stark, on 14 September 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

And he is a child. How interesting would it be to read a story in the POV of a six yr old.

On the contrary, I firmly believe that GRRM could make literary jewel from six-year-old POV and would really like to see that!

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Then rickon would have to die. I hate that idea.

No, he wouldn't. Not all prologue POV characters die!

[Mance Oakland Rayder]

It could be kind of cool to see it as some Skagoosi guy Osha is banging in exchange for helping keep Ruling safe...unlikely but could make sense as to how they are surviving until Davos gets there

[Mance Oakland Rayder]

Rickon not ruling*

[Lord Liam DarkStark]

GRRM said that before his prologue and epilogue characters always die?

[I do not sew]

ThundergodCid, on 07 September 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

I agree, he's been portrayed as such a decent man.  His limited scenes with Sansa and Tyrion always stood out to me in ASOS.

Probably means he'll get the "Ned Stark treatment."

Yeah... except for that one time he poisoned the king.

[voodooqueen126]

Lord Martin, on 29 August 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

Here's another pattern to the prologues:

Waymar Royce:  Killed by Others.
Maester Cressan:  Killed by powerful/magical person from Essos (Mel)
Chet:  Killed by Others
Pate:  Killed by powerful/magical person from Essos (Jaquen/Facelessman)
Varamyr:  Killed by Others

Could this complicate the picture?

This could make Haldon Half-Maester a possible candidate, especially for those who think Greyscale has a big role to play going forward.  

I also could see a Maester in service to Daven Lannister being killed.

Any chance we'll see the Iron Bank killing anyone?  They have to have their due right?

Given this pattern perhaps a Maester in the Reach or Lannisport being killed by Euron's Quartheen sorcerers?

[Catacombs]

Shaggy, on 14 September 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

No, he wouldn't. Not all prologue POV characters die!

Just all the prologue POVs so far (and all of the epilogue POVs as well), but that might not mean it is a hard and fast rule. Still, I would expect--based on past performance--that the Winds of Winter prologue POV will be dead by the time the first chapter begins.

[Gaius the Builder]

Well, he is the author and is free to change these patterns at anytime he wishes...

I'm more interested in what the next prologue will set up. I'm starting to lean more to the side of something happening at the Citadel, since Jaqen / the Faceless Man at the opening of A Feast for Crows and the events that took place have yet to be mentioned or even explored at a shallow level yet.