The Two Wildling Babies (Spoilers)
Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:56 AM
Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:48 AM
Edited by Crown, 06 October 2012 - 09:48 AM.
Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:41 PM
And I'm pretty sure Eddard understands hiding a baby's true identity to keep it safe if you buy into R+L=J
Edited by Dragon Punch, 06 October 2012 - 12:43 PM.
Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:02 AM
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Posted 05 November 2012 - 11:35 AM
Of course it's not a popular decision, but it certainly was one of the most clever he has made (and will probably ever make)
Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:42 PM
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:35 PM
Posted 05 February 2013 - 10:38 PM
No, Sam said the words.
Gilly being distraught sure as hell didnt stop her from jumpin' all over Sam's bones though... was a good idea for Jon and every one involved. I also think Jon did Sam a solid for giving him a way out of the black. Yes, Sam left with every intention of doing what he needs to do and coming back but I just dont see that happening.
Nothing short of the will of a king can change that.
Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:05 PM
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:24 PM
Up until the point that we learn that Jon Snow forced Gilly to swap her son for Mance's son, leaving her boy to possibly be sacrificed to the Red God, he was my favourite character. If I was in Gilly's place Jon would have had to kill me in order to do that as I would kill him first to stop him taking my child. Even if I did take Mance's son to Braavos, if anything happened to my baby I would find a way back and kill Jon. I wonder if that is something that George R. R. Martin has included later in the book, or even the next book. I can't think for a second that Jon would seriously believe that no-one would care what happens to Craster's baby because he's a bastard born of incest. Jon has never known a mother's love so he would not understand the pain doing this would have caused Gilly. Of course I am a mother so this event is quite significant to me. Eddard would be ashamed of Jon if he was alive and learned that Jon did this.
I believe Jon knew that there is no reason to sacrifice Gillies baby. Her child is safe.
Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:05 PM
Otherwise, Gilly would've justifiably clawed his eyes out.
Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:29 AM
Guess Sam's experience of growing up with a father that would beat him, chain him up and then threaten to kill him would not make him likely to work out the whole thing...
Posted 04 October 2013 - 03:09 PM
Agreed about Jon revealing the baby situation before a Mel sacrifice.
Posted 07 October 2013 - 09:29 AM
I think Martin intends that we hate Jon at least a little for this. This shows how he is growing up, becoming hardened, learning to make the tough choices that end up in the right place.
Unfortunately, all aspects of life in Westeros are at the mercy of fickle fortunes. Jon is gambling that Gilly's baby will survive a few years until things shake out and he can send the kid down to Oldtown. He certainly needs to keep the switch secret until Sam's party is safely away, but it seems to be another case of his poor decision making not to have revealed it by mid-ADWD. Now there is the possibility that Mel will sacrifice the kid while Jon is in a coma, hoping to generate poier to save him, or do something else useful. So Jon may wake in TWOW and be in formed by Mel that Mance's baby was burned, but R'hllor strangely refused to help. And Jon will say "Your fires didn't tell you that the child was not truly his? If your god didn't tell you, he must truly consider you lacking."