The Undefeated Gaul Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I can't wait for the Greatjon to break out or be freed. Definitely one of my favourite characters.I think he some how find his way back north and be one of the catalysts for uniting the north under one banner again. (apart from the boltons of course) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Why is everyone so confident he will be freed and somehow take vengeance? This is GRRM we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undefeated Gaul Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Oh but he's going to die straight after! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhalAllen Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 The Greatjon is certainly badass, but I feel he may be one of the minor characters that we as a fan base invest too much in. I hope I'm wrong and that GRRM brings him back into the fold somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheeMikeHoncho Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 This is a very icy position for the Freys. They cant allow a live witness to the RW to be freed or even have a chance to be. Everyone is going along with (though certainly not all believing) their bullshit story of "Night of the Living Wargs". If a witness with as much clout at the Greatjon were ever to spread the truth, that would be the end of not only the Freys, but the Boltons too. It wouldnt suprise me if the Freys had already killed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumant30 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 This is a very icy position for the Freys. They cant allow a live witness to the RW to be freed or even have a chance to be. Everyone is going along with (though certainly not all believing) their bullshit story of "Night of the Living Wargs". If a witness with as much clout at the Greatjon were ever to spread the truth, that would be the end of not only the Freys, but the Boltons too. It wouldnt suprise me if the Freys had already killed him.Ya this can certainly be true because they would have seen the lannister host disband in river lands when jamie left brienne so definitely they must have done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Undefeated Gaul Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 And on top of this they need him too ensure loyalty of other northern lords. Very slippery situaiton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 This is a very icy position for the Freys. They cant allow a live witness to the RW to be freed or even have a chance to be. Everyone is going along with (though certainly not all believing) their bullshit story of "Night of the Living Wargs". If a witness with as much clout at the Greatjon were ever to spread the truth, that would be the end of not only the Freys, but the Boltons too. It wouldnt suprise me if the Freys had already killed him.But the main slaughter took place in the Great Hall, Robb was there, this was where he apparently turned into a wolf, and started the fighting. GJ was not there, and I don't think anyone apart from Cat survived (in a sense) from a Stark favourable side.But the main point is no one believes the story, so it doesn't matter. As long as they have the throne backing them up they don't care. And furthermore once Walder dies, Edwyn (or not impossibly Black Walder) will inherit, and set up a bunch of Freys to take the fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight errant Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 This is a very icy position for the Freys. They cant allow a live witness to the RW to be freed or even have a chance to be. Everyone is going along with (though certainly not all believing) their bullshit story of "Night of the Living Wargs". If a witness with as much clout at the Greatjon were ever to spread the truth, that would be the end of not only the Freys, but the Boltons too. It wouldnt suprise me if the Freys had already killed him.No one believes that, that's not the official story :P That's just the story they tell manderly because they think he is a fat idiot. Well he gets the last laugh. Or is that piece of pie? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynthFG Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 With the prisoners at the twins on their way to kings landing (Walder wont risk betraying his new lannister masters) it's likely that the BwB will launch a rescue attempt, both to kill alot of Frey guards and to embarrass the Freys We then have Jamie, Stoneheart, Brienne Great Jon et al and possibly Sandor all lumped together in the Riverlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summer's Whelp Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Why is everyone so confident he will be freed and somehow take vengeance? This is GRRM we are talking about.Because the Great John's sigil is the giant in shattered chains. It would be too epic for him to be his sigil come to life and then bash the hell out of the Freys. I'm holding out hope that this was foreshadowing and not a false easter egg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheeMikeHoncho Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 But the main slaughter took place in the Great Hall, Robb was there, this was where he apparently turned into a wolf, and started the fighting. GJ was not there, and I don't think anyone apart from Cat survived (in a sense) from a Stark favourable side.But the main point is no one believes the story, so it doesn't matter. As long as they have the throne backing them up they don't care. And furthermore once Walder dies, Edwyn (or not impossibly Black Walder) will inherit, and set up a bunch of Freys to take the fall. I know no one really believes the frey story. its just that if it is publically stated that the Freys and Boltons conspired to murder Robb under guest right, that would be the galvanizing enough that the entire north and even some southron houses would rise to help crush them. Plus how would the Faith Militant and their new hardline High Septon react to the violation of guest rights (a major sin IIRC).I buy into the great northern conspiracy theory, but if the Greatjon escapes- the north will have lots of allies from the south. The Freys and Boltons cant allow this to happen, the ice is rotten enough as it is. Especially with the waning power of the lannisters (Cersei- declawed, for now. Jamie missing, Kevan dead, Tommen chubby little puppet of the HSepton and Margy.). If it is publically acknowleged that the Freys have done this dont you see this as the opportunity for the Tyrells to seize complete control over Tommen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I know no one really believes the frey story. its just that if it is publically stated that the Freys and Boltons conspired to murder Robb under guest right, that would be the galvanizing enough that the entire north and even some southron houses would rise to help crush them. Plus how would the Faith Militant and their new hardline High Septon react to the violation of guest rights (a major sin IIRC).I buy into the great northern conspiracy theory, but if the Greatjon escapes- the north will have lots of allies from the south. The Freys and Boltons cant allow this to happen, the ice is rotten enough as it is. Especially with the waning power of the lannisters (Cersei- declawed, for now. Jamie missing, Kevan dead, Tommen chubby little puppet of the HSepton and Margy.). If it is publically acknowleged that the Freys have done this dont you see this as the opportunity for the Tyrells to seize complete control over Tommen?The North doesn't need galvanising, they want the hostages back, but that's the only thing keeping them sweet, they know exactly what happened, and can't wait to start chopping heads.I'm not sure the southerners care enough to go to war over it, and if the North is coming down in force they may well fight against them. Who knows what the Faith will do? They seem extremely fundamental religiously, not likely to look favourably upon 'tree worship.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight errant Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I know no one really believes the frey story. its just that if it is publically stated that the Freys and Boltons conspired to murder Robb under guest right, that would be the galvanizing enough that the entire north and even some southron houses would rise to help crush them. Plus how would the Faith Militant and their new hardline High Septon react to the violation of guest rights (a major sin IIRC).I buy into the great northern conspiracy theory, but if the Greatjon escapes- the north will have lots of allies from the south. The Freys and Boltons cant allow this to happen, the ice is rotten enough as it is. Especially with the waning power of the lannisters (Cersei- declawed, for now. Jamie missing, Kevan dead, Tommen chubby little puppet of the HSepton and Margy.). If it is publically acknowleged that the Freys have done this dont you see this as the opportunity for the Tyrells to seize complete control over Tommen?The guest right is an old custom, not a religious thing :P If it is religious it is rooted in the old faith. I don't see the faith taking any action, they are more concerned with the princesses anyways. Woo roots, woodland puns. Don't ask for more, you'd be barking up the wrong weirwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammothsbane Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I can't imagine his story is done. If it is, why didn't they just kill him at the Red Wedding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all_Freys_must_die Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 I can't imagine his story is done. If it is, why didn't they just kill him at the Red Wedding?Because it serves to have him as a hostage as it did (they think) for Whiteharbour. He can still get the chop tho....especially if the Umbers turn in the upcoming battle of ice.BTW Did any Umber men escape the Red wedding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammothsbane Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Because it serves to have him as a hostage as it did (they think) for Whiteharbour. He can still get the chop tho....especially if the Umbers turn in the upcoming battle of ice.BTW Did any Umber men escape the Red wedding?I mean from a plot purpose. Why didn't GRRM kill him off like everyone else at the RW if he didn't plan on using him again for something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheeMikeHoncho Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The guest right is an old custom, not a religious thing :P If it is religious it is rooted in the old faith. I don't see the faith taking any action, they are more concerned with the princesses anyways.Woo roots, woodland puns. Don't ask for more, you'd be barking up the wrong weirwood.I always assumed the violation of guest rights was considered a sin because it has been labelled as such by multiple people from all regions and held sacrosanct by most of the houses in westeros, save the vile ones. i guess i shouldnt assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheeMikeHoncho Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The North doesn't need galvanising, they want the hostages back, but that's the only thing keeping them sweet, they know exactly what happened, and can't wait to start chopping heads.I'm not sure the southerners care enough to go to war over it, and if the North is coming down in force they may well fight against them. Who knows what the Faith will do? They seem extremely fundamental religiously, not likely to look favourably upon 'tree worship.'I guess what i am trying to say is that if the narrative of what happened at the RW were to be challenged by someone like the Greatjon, then the north, as a united front, would act immediately. The reason i brought up the southron lords is that i believe that the Tyrells and Martells would see this as the spark they would need to ruin house lannister since the lannisters would most definately be tied to it. Both have motives such as revenge for the martells and dominance of the iron throne for the Tyrells, both accomplishing this while not needing to raise banners.I am not saying that the Faith Militant would unite with the north, but i would see them trying to dispose the letcherous and sinful House Frey, which is in the riverlands- a region of New Gods worshipers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumant30 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 RW were to be challenged by someone like the GreatjonHe is not a one man army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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