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[Lion of Judah]

Lonely Wanderer, on 10 October 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

I am fearing he's already dead, and that his head was shipped to Dorne instead of Gregor Clegane's.

Roose knows that Hother Whoresbane only swears fealty to him because Jon Umber is being held prisoner. That would give them a reason to uprise against him, so even though Roose has been prone to making idiot decisions, I doubt that he is stupid enough to kill Greatjon.

[Usuper's Dog]

Lion Of Judah, on 14 November 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Roose knows that Hother Whoresbane only swears fealty to him because Jon Umber is being held prisoner. That would give them a reason to uprise against him, so even though Roose has been prone to making idiot decisions, I doubt that he is stupid enough to kill Greatjon.

The problem is there is absolutely no way to prove that he's alive - aside from letting a Northman into the Frey dungeons to check in on him (which I highly doubt ever happening, we haven't even seen anybody demand proof that a hostage is alive). As mentioned above, why would GRRM maintain this minor plot point (the Greatjon is a prisoner, except basically everybody else from the wedding is dead) if he really was dead? Well besides the fact that it explains how hamstrung the Umbers are - and why their allegience lay where it lay - it also sets the stage for a future breakout. Remember Arya/Rorge/Biter letting the imprisoned northman out of the Harrenhal dungeons?

I see the Greatjon leading a bloody and violent prisoner revolt against the Freys, and us witnessing the ultimate downfall of House Frey. The late Lord Walder wants to f*** with the Tully's? Betray their liege lord and live to tell about it? Not likely. The Freys will soon go the way of the Reynes and Castameres.

[The Grey Wolf]

If the Greatjon gets out whoever busts him free should be given land, a title, and name his house Freybane and his motton should be "All Freys flee before us" or "For the Young Wolf..." with the words frey crossed out as their sigil. Who agrees?

[armidil0]

I certainly hope that Greatjon is still alive.
I hear a lot of people saying how they want Jaime to ;lead the BwB and such, or maybe Gendry. But I never hear anyone making a case for the Greatjon. I think if he's ever freed then he will be a natural leader for them.

[The BlackBear]

armidil0, on 07 December 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

I certainly hope that Greatjon is still alive.
I hear a lot of people saying how they want Jaime to ;lead the BwB and such, or maybe Gendry. But I never hear anyone making a case for the Greatjon. I think if he's ever freed then he will be a natural leader for them.

Not really, GJ is the perfect leader of a Vanguard. Fucking huge, loud, gets on well with common men, but doesn't really think beyond pointing his guys at the enemy and charging. The BwB need a guy who's clever enough to do all the guerilla stuff, being sneaky knowing when to lay low.

[Jared Frey]

What if unGregor is really unGreatjon?

[Daenerys is my queen]

I hope so. I like the Greatjon. If the Freys get what they deserve then I'm sure he will get out. If not...well....I don't know.

[Anima]

About the guys saying that since the producers already know the story to the end, thus the Greatjon not appearing again in season 2 means he doesn't play a big role in the future.

I would just like to remind you that they had a dothraki who GRRM said would reappear killed by Drogo in the series while he was obviously not killed in the book. And that was in season 1. In season 2 the producers have taken much more liberties.

Edited by Anima, 11 December 2012 - 03:37 PM.

[Where Boars Glow]

Mayhaps

[Runaway Penguin]

Lannister always pays his debts... What if it is found (when Jaime is confronted by UnCat) that Freys refused to heed his order to send captives to KL? What if Jaime and Brienne manage to convince the BwB that the "Jaime Lannister sends his regards" was totally made up? What if Jaime becomes an instrument of metting the King's Justice for violating the guest right?

In such case, the prisoners (incl. Greatjon) would probably play important role...

[Where Boars Glow]

Lion Of Judah, on 14 November 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Roose knows that Hother Whoresbane only swears fealty to him because Jon Umber is being held prisoner. That would give them a reason to uprise against him, so even though Roose has been prone to making idiot decisions, I doubt that he is stupid enough to kill Greatjon.

Unless he is Robert Strong

[StuSeaworth]

Jalapenohitchhiker, on 28 October 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

That was my thought. Personally I think Nymeria would be more likely to tear off his head than team up with him.

Grey Wind sure didn't hesitate to go after an Umber

[bemused]

When Jaime is sorting things out in the Riverlands ,he sends word to Walder Frey that the Lannisters require  him to turn over all of his prisoners .

The Lannisters are holding Harrion Karstark at Maidenpool, and that's also where Jaime sent Wylis Manderly ,from where he was sent on home. Randyll Tarly has secured the town and the kings road and has been putting things back in order. Maidenpool would appear to be a major holding and transfer point for Lannister prisoners. Probably that's where the Greatjon would be sent , at least as a first stop.

Not long after sending this order to Lord Frey , when he takes control of Riverrun , Jaime lets  ( I think ,)10 men of the Tully garrison go (with 3 days food and no armour ), if they swear not to take up arms against the Lannisters again. The master at arms and captain of the guard ask to take the black, instead. They're allowed to keep their arms and armour ( which they'll need on the wall ) and  are sent under escort as far as Maidenpool , where presumably , they'll take ship for the Wall.

Are we looking at all the elements of a prison break and escape , here ?

ETA: I know Tarly was there when Brienne passed through Maidenpool , but don't know exactly when he was summoned to KL. However I can imagine that security might slip a bit after he leaves. ( That's one problem with such a stickler of a commander ..once he's not there, everyone lets out their breath .. sometimes a bit more than they should )

Edited by bemused, 30 December 2012 - 02:41 AM.

[Babeldygob]

His sigil is a giant breaking free from its' chains. There's no more to be said.

[Optimus Brian]

Knight errant, on 14 October 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

RIP SmallJon a character we could never truly appreciate No I mean for ransom value and stuff like that surely the heir is as important, if not more than the current I understand they may not be able to just capture him. I enjoyed readying that part too hahaha no petty southron out drinks a northman!

Roose Bolton would not have been comfortable having any witnesses to him killing Robb regardless of their status. I was really pissed that Dacey Mormont was killed, if I was a weasel Frey and she asked me to dance I would have...damn weasels

bemused, on 30 December 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

When Jaime is sorting things out in the Riverlands

Lord Farquaad is currently being transported to a trap set by the BwB, he won't be sorting anything out any time soon.....

Edited by hougiebear, 01 January 2013 - 10:46 PM.

[bemused]

Ahem,...(At the time in the narrative )"When Jaime is sorting things out in the riverlands..".. Yep.I know where Jaime is. The orders and actions I refer to have already been set in motion , whatever happens to Jaime next.

Edited by bemused, 01 January 2013 - 11:39 PM.

[TheeMikeHoncho]

bemused, on 01 January 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Ahem,...(At the time in the narrative )"When Jaime is sorting things out in the riverlands..".. Yep.I know where Jaime is. The orders and actions I refer to have already been set in motion , whatever happens to Jaime next.

ouch.

[bemused]

...it was meant to be a friendly poke..

Edited by bemused, 02 January 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[Mikaele]

Greatjon will make it out of the Frey dungeon, and the Umbers are going to destroy Freys and Boltons!

[TheeMikeHoncho]

bemused, on 02 January 2013 - 12:19 PM, said:

...it was meant to be a friendly poke..

thats cool, i thought it was kind of funny. I was trying to see if people saw it as i did, a political lie that most rational people knew was bullshit and was used to spearhead a aquisition of northern power, ala Weapons of Mass Destruction. the lannisters, freys and boltons cant let the greatjon ever to give his testimony (even if it is so limited) or it would give all of their political enemies a way to smack them down.
either people didnt get my point or thought it was lame. oh well, i liked it.

Edited by TheeMikeHoncho, 03 January 2013 - 05:08 AM.