Rhaegar + Lyanna = Dany

[Hustle]

I have been working on this for a while and feel that there is a very good chance that Jon is actually the son of Ashara Dayne and Brandon Stark and that Dany is the daughter of Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryan.

Reasons:

1) In the House of the Undying, ACOK, Dany is shown many visions. All of these visions have to do with either Starks or Targaryans. The birth of Prince Aegon, the Red Wedding, a blue flower which grows from a chink in a wall of ice (most likely a referance to Jon.) Dany sees visions which all have to do with her family, Starks and Targs.

2) Through both Barriston, Mormont, and Viserys, Dany has learned a great deal about her family, including her supposed brother Prince Rhaegar. While Barriston is still posing as White beard in ASOS, it seems that Dany is more interested in learning about Rhaegar then the Mad King. Why would Dany care more about a brother she never knew then a father she never knew?

3) What has been said about Dany's mother? What has been said about Lyanna Stark? There has been almost nothing given about what Rhaella Targaryen was like. Dany has expressed no interst in learning anything about her mother. Throughout 5 books, very little is revealed about this character. Lyanna Stark, a character who died before the start of the series, has been expanded upon throughout every book. If you even look in book 5, ADWD, it is said in a Theon chapter that Lyanna Stark was "part horse." Didn't Dany have a horse, Silver, was she a great rider who was even married to a horse-lord.

4) The title of the series is called "A Song of Fire and Ice." I believe that the two main points of this story will be Ice (Stark) and Fire (Targaryan.) I believe that Dany is the combination of Ice and Fire. I believe she, the mother of Dragons, is the daughter of both Fire and Ice, is the title character of the series. She gave birth to 3 dragons, a act which GRRM refered to as a "miracle." Dany has shown an unmistakable ability of the unordinary. She has gone from a beaten little girl, to a queen and mother to thousands.

5) In the House of the Undying Dany is refered to as many things, but only one thing twice: Slayer of lies, daughter of death, bride of fire, but before all of these... child of storm and child of three. Why is this important? Child of 3 most likely refers to a 3 headed dragon, a Targaryan. Child of Storm, some people think as her being Stormborn. Kinda simple, don't you think? Child of Storm means she is a child of a storm, Lyanna Stark. Robert's Rebellion was a storm in Westeros, which was caused by Lyanna Stark's kidnapping. A lesser note, the word blue is referance many times while Dany is in the house of the Undying.

6) Jon is important, but he is not a Targaryan. He has Dayne blood, and he will weild Dawn. This is a whole different thread, but I believe that Jon will be revealed to be not of the Dragon.

Final Note: Things I'm sure people will say.

Why didn't Eddard know?

Why didn't Viserys know?

How did Dany get to Essos?

What happened to the other babies?

In Eddard's POV chapters, it is clear that he knows who Jon's parents are, but it is not revealed to us. It is very possible that Eddard, as well as other POV and non-POV character, know things and have secrets which are not revealed to the reader.

Viserys was 9 when Dany was born and could be easily manipulated.

I don't know about the how but the why is clear. Dany is important. Rhaegar and Lyanna knew this and they wanted to keep her safe. She was to be protected. I bet Illyrio didn't know this and that's why she was married to Drogo.

[The Night's Prince]

I'm going to tell you this right now. It is known by everyone in Westeros that Dany is Rhaegar's sister.

[redviper9]

:bang:

No...just, no.

There is no doubt...NONE...whatsoever as to Dany's parentage. She is the youngest daughter of Aerys II and Rhaella Targaryen. Period. End. Of. Story.

The reason she doesn't want to hear about her father is because she's convinced that tales of his madness were manufactured by Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, Tywin Lannister, Jon Arryn, and Hoster Tully to justify the rebellion. Barristan and everyone else can only remove the rose-colored glasses, and she refuses to let that happen.

Also, while many of her visions and dreams do feature the Starks and Targaryens, she also sees the Baratheons ("a blue-eyed king with a red sword in his hand who cast no shadow" sounds a lot like Stannis) and possibly the Greyjoys ("a corpse at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, smiling sadly").

[The Dornishman's Wife]

You have some interesting ideas, but on the whole I think it extremely unlikely. Let's go through the points you mention.

1) Undying show stuff about Targs and Starks: At that moment, Targs and Starks cover all the characters we're invested in. Still, there's plenty of other stuff too: The dwarfs ravaging Westeros, the vision of Stannis, Victarion (or whoever steers the ship), the stone beast.

2) Dany is more interested in Rhaegar than in Aerys: Do you want to suggest that not only is R+L=D, but Dany also knows this? Anyways, hearing stuff about her brother is just more pleasant than hearing about her father, the truth about whom she doesn't really want to face.

3) We know more about Lyanna than about Rhaella: And there's about 20 female characters we know even more about than both. Furthermore, I really don't believe being sold to a horselord is any indication of being Lyanna's daughter.

4) SoIaF means that there is a Stark-Targ mixed child: While that is only one of many interpretations (could also mean that dragons & wights are a conflict, or that both Ice magic and Fire magic, i.e. both Stark and Targ families are important), conventional wisdom would indicate a far more likely candidate for mixed blood in any case.

5) By that logic, she should actually be Robert's child.

6) As you don't elaborate that point and it doesn't directly deal with Dany anyways, it seems pointless to comment on it.

I don't know about the how but the why is clear. Dany is important. Rhaegar and Lyanna knew this and they wanted to keep her safe. She was to be protected.

It's not clear to me. They protected her by claiming that she was the king's daughter instead of the king's granddaughter? As protections go, that's kinda lousy.

[Ursa]

Just an additional note: Dany was born on Dragonstone roughly 9 months after the fall of KingsLanding - Lyanna was dead by then and she had died in Dorne months before. Plus they had witnesses to her birth, as Rhaella was the former Queen. We can't argue that Lyanna could have been taken to Dragonstone, as Rhaella and her kids were safe there for so long since Robert's troops couldn't get to them - something about no boats (I'll have to re-read that part when I get back from work) plus no one was left to take her.

As for Jon, we know when he was born as well, and Brandon can't be his father. Human pregnancy is only 9 months, and Brandon would have been dead before Jon was concieved.

[Rolex Baratheon]

Sorry but no. When it has been established as fact that they are siblings then why come up with the theory? And Dany thinking so much about Rhaegar isn't a mystery, it has a very simple answer: some girls love their brothers.

[Moon-Pale Maiden]

Its an interesting thought, but the queen is whisked away to dragonstone while pregnant with Ser Willem Darry. She gave birth there. The pregnancy was known by everyone in the kingsguard at least, as evidenced by the conversation at the ToJ. I assume it would have been common knowledge that the queen was expecting a child. Lyanna had just presumably given birth when Ned finds her, so how would it be possible for infant Dany to get from the ToJ all the way to Dragonstone in the timeframe that is described?

Edit: Ursa got to this point while I was typing and expanded on it. so I digress.

[TehKetchup]

Of course she would want to know more about the noble Dragon Prince than about King Scab.

[Pugsley]

And just a minor point, but thought I'd throw it in: if Jon isn't Lyanna's, there's no reason for the vision of the blue rose to refer to him.

[Bolivar]

I don't think there's a doubt that she's the daughter of Queen Rhaella Targaryen, who died in childbirth during a storm.

But yes, my personal belief is that when Rhaegar looks directly at Daenerys in the House of the Undying, after naming his second child Aegon (after already having a Rhaenys) he says the dragon must have three heads and continues to stare at her as if he is looking right at her, that's because she was supposed to be Visenya.

But Rhaella, after losing her whole family, thought the world didn't need another Visenya, a warrior queen, it needed another

Daenerys.

[Toccs]

1) In the House of the Undying, ACOK, Dany is shown many visions. All of these visions have to do with either Starks or Targaryans. The birth of Prince Aegon, the Red Wedding, a blue flower which grows from a chink in a wall of ice (most likely a referance to Jon.) Dany sees visions which all have to do with her family, Starks and Targs.

How can you take the blue flower in the Wall to be a reference to Jon if your theory follows that Jon has nothing to do with Lyanna?

[Twinslayer]

I thought everyone knew that Dany is the daughter of Rhaegar and Rhaella. That is why Rhaegar thought she was the third head. Why would Rhaegar go outside the family given the Targ history of incest;)

[Fire Eater]

I don't think there's a doubt that she's the daughter of Queen Rhaella Targaryen, who died in childbirth during a storm.

But yes, my personal belief is that when Rhaegar looks directly at Daenerys in the House of the Undying, after naming his second child Aegon (after already having a Rhaenys) he says the dragon must have three heads and continues to stare at her as if he is looking right at her, that's because she was supposed to be Visenya.

But Rhaella, after losing her whole family, thought the world didn't need another Visenya, a warrior queen, it needed another

Daenerys.

If Rhaegar shared the Targaryen gift for prophetic visions than he did see Daenerys in the vision looking back at him in the HotU, thinking she was his future daughter, Visenya.

[Payme]

Child of Storm, some people think as her being Stormborn. Kinda simple, don't you think? Child of Storm means she is a child of a storm, Lyanna Stark. Robert's Rebellion was a storm in Westeros, which was caused by Lyanna Stark's kidnapping.

You're right, it is kinda simple... She was born on Dragonstone during a "storm"...

No...

[DavosSeaworthy]

No, this is the worst crackpot theory I have ever read. Ever. Ever. Ever. :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

[DavosSeaworthy]

This is actually a post about a Targ being a secret Targ. Wow.

[J. Stargaryen]

This is actually a post about a Targ being a secret Targ. Wow.

**Like**

Well struck. :)

[Rolex Baratheon]

This is actually a post about a Targ being a secret Targ. Wow.

My sword is yours, in victory and defeat, from this day until my last day.

[DavosSeaworthy]

:agree: :agree:

Thanks! It came to me after I wrote my first point.

[FittleLinger]

This is actually a post about a Targ being a secret Targ. Wow.

That's why I hate they removed the "like" system. Now we have to quote? Lousy.

Brilliant.

To the OP - he/she is rather new as I see, and for a first post, has compiled quite a few things that don't seem exactly unspeakable. It;s just that he/she is confronting a theory people have been digging into and piecing together for a looooong time. So don't worry OP, that's why you're getting a little harder reaction than maybe is needed. Look through the forums, get involved, I personally have had quite a few theories that seemed brilliant to me at the time that now sound like "Oh god why", quite a few theories I didn't believe in and now I am almost 100% sold, and one or two moments of "What the hell was I thinking".

What I said was not meant to either undermine your theory or present myself as a hardcore forumer now, which I am certainly not, but was meant to say that discussing stuff here just changes your perspective so rapidly. It's sometimes even more eye-opening than rereading, because in rereading you still have only your point of view