Triskele, on 12 December 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:
Shryke - Does Moenghus not believe in damnation, full stop, or does he just not believe that he is damned?
He doesn't believe in damnation at all as far as I can determine. It's Kellhus reference to visions while hanging from the circumfix that first makes Moe think he's nuts. But, look through the book right now, he later questions why Kellhus is using words like "wicked", "perverted", "corrupted", etc and calls them nothing more than mechanisms of control.
He is also, interestingly, contemptuous of Kellhus' questions about "the Truth". He doesn't say their isn't any truth, merely that the worldborn cannot stomach it. But his version of the truth seems to involve none of the damnation/salvation/sin/etc type talk. He accused Kellhus of being broken for believing that stuff.
What's interesting is next the question is directly addressed. Kellhus goes "You are Cish, what about your visions and shit?" and Moe says it's bullshit. There's no proof it's not just deranged visions, his prophesying the future is coincidence and that while the Outside is real, the world "shows no favour. It is perfectly indifferent to the tantrums of men."
Interesting bit here:
"The God sleeps ... It has ever been thus. Only by striving for the Absolute may we awaken Him. Meaning. Purpose. These words name not something given ... no, the name our task."
"Set aside your conviction, for the feeling of certainty is no more a marker of truth than the feeling of will is a marker of freedom. Deceived men always think themselves certain, just as they always think themselves free. This is simply what is means to be deceived."
Some of it is a restating of Akka's general ideas about doubt, which is kinda interesting.
The rest seems to continue Moe's general belief that the world has no measuring stick of it's own. It's only humans that graft morality onto existence.
PS - Other interesting thing here. While Kellhus is imaging the ruin of Moe's plan to kill everyone and aid the Consult, the last line is this:
"The Gods baying like wolves at a silent gate."