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[Waarg]

Shae's comment was really callous, but she's also suffered some kind of sexual trauma at a young age so it might have been frustrating to her to see everyone fawn over this 30-something year old woman when no one gave her any sympathy when she was a little girl. Either that, or the idea of getting gang-banged by 50 guys didn't seem like a big deal to her anymore.

What happened to Lollys really saddened me and the fact that she probably had some kind of developmental disorder made me realize that this kind of stuff does happen in the real world all the time. If you've ever talked to anyone who works in an adult-assisted living home for the severely mentally disabled, you'll know that a lot of fucked up shit happens to the female patients, particularly the non-verbal ones.

[The Lord's Kiss]

TrueMetis, on 01 November 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

Well ya, something bad happens to someone I don't know in a far away place my response would be along the lines of "that sucks" maybe with a WTF thrown in for good measure. This isn't a bad thing, empathy is good. Empathizing with every bad thing that happens in the world is not. That's the road that leads to being an emotional cripple.

And guilty conscious really? If you let yourself be really effected by fictional events it may be time to see a therapist because I think that may be a sign of mentally instability.

Is that the best insult you can offer up on the boards nowadays without fear of being reported? "If you care about fictional characters, you are mentally unstable and should seek help." That's a good one. Just because some of us have developed emotions and bonds to the characters doesn't mean squat about dangerous mental health. I take it you've never been moved by a movie, book, or play enough to feel something for the characters. More's the pity for you.

Maybe you should seek mental help, but oh wait, that's not a joke because millions of people suffer from imbalances in the brain and that's not really a laughing matter.

[TrueMetis]

The Lord, on 02 November 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Is that the best insult you can offer up on the boards nowadays without fear of being reported? "If you care about fictional characters, you are mentally unstable and should seek help." That's a good one. Just because some of us have developed emotions and bonds to the characters doesn't mean squat about dangerous mental health. I take it you've never been moved by a movie, book, or play enough to feel something for the characters. More's the pity for you.

So when you read that scene you felt like you had been raped by 50 people? Cause that's what I was talking about when I said, empathy is good empathizing with every bad thing that happens in the world is not. Which isn't at all the same as your lame attempt at paraphrasing what I said. Empathy and caring about people are different things. Feeling something for a character is not the same thing as feeling the same thing as a character.

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Maybe you should seek mental help, but oh wait, that's not a joke because millions of people suffer from imbalances in the brain and that's not really a laughing matter.

Don't fall off your high-horse now, you might get hurt.

[protar]

TrueMetis, on 04 November 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

So when you read that scene you felt like you had been raped by 50 people? Cause that's what I was talking about when I said, empathy is good empathizing with every bad thing that happens in the world is not. Which isn't at all the same as your lame attempt at paraphrasing what I said. Empathy and caring about people are different things. Feeling something for a character is not the same thing as feeling the same thing as a character.

I think you're severely exaggerating the concept of empathy. Being able to recognise how horrible it would feel to be raped does not equate the actual feeling of being raped.

[The Lord's Kiss]

TrueMetis, on 04 November 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

So when you read that scene you felt like you had been raped by 50 people? Cause that's what I was talking about when I said, empathy is good empathizing with every bad thing that happens in the world is not. Which isn't at all the same as your lame attempt at paraphrasing what I said. Empathy and caring about people are different things. Feeling something for a character is not the same thing as feeling the same thing as a character.



Don't fall off your high-horse now, you might get hurt.

It's not so much a high horse as a filly that's been ridden by far too many people that I know and love, so when you make callous remarks like that it does strike me as unpleasant.

[Stubby]

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[TrueMetis]

protar, on 04 November 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

I think you're severely exaggerating the concept of empathy. Being able to recognise how horrible it would feel to be raped does not equate the actual feeling of being raped.

My understanding is that empathy is being able to put yourself in that person's shoes. I can empathize with being kicked in the balls, because I know what that feels like. However I cannot feel empathy for being raped, because I have not a clue what that feels like. I can however feel sympathy which would be recognizing that it would be horrible to be raped.

The Lord, on 04 November 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:

It's not so much a high horse as a filly that's been ridden by far too many people that I know and love, so when you make callous remarks like that it does strike me as unpleasant.

And yet the people I know who most often joke about mental instability are themselves mentally unstable.

[Éadaoin]

Waarg, on 02 November 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

What happened to Lollys really saddened me and the fact that she probably had some kind of developmental disorder made me realize that this kind of stuff does happen in the real world all the time. If you've ever talked to anyone who works in an adult-assisted living home for the severely mentally disabled, you'll know that a lot of fucked up shit happens to the female patients, particularly the non-verbal ones.

Same, it also made me think of the real world, and I think that's partially why it made me so sad. Rape always makes me emotional, fictional character or not.

[House Umber]

Top12Gun, on 25 October 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

This, and I also have little sympathy for stupid people.

yikes, mentally challenged =/= stupid

[Mother of Mini Dragons]

Wow! I hope this thread is not indicative of the rest of this forum. Some of you would fit in quite well with Westerosi folk.

[Belandra Waters]

Mother of Mini Dragons, on 04 January 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

Wow! I hope this thread is not indicative of the rest of this forum. Some of you would fit in quite well with Westerosi folk.

Rest assured, this thread is not indicative of the rest of this forum.  This one flew under the radar somehow and I don't know why it didn't get locked and it also didn't gain the attention of some posters who would have dealt with some of these comments in a much better way than I did (which was going away and trying to forget what I read)!

Welcome to the forums and hope to talk again in a different thread!

[Glamdring]

I think its ironic that in the series we're met with an extremely harsh moment when Sansa's cornered and nearly raped during the riots but in the book we have a lesser lady being raped 50 times and met with not only indifferent and callous reactions from other characters but also from readers as well. Also this is my first post! Glad to be here!