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[~Shiera Seastar~]

Cersei's only hope is to seduce Stannis, and brainwash him to get rid of Selyse.

[KingAlanI]

She wouldn't be Queen, but knowing her, she'd remain interested in using the title.

Assuming she wields influence on Stannis, whether or not she marries him, I wonder how she'd compare to Melisandre - ooh, Cersei vs. Melisandre would be an interesting fight.

[JLE]

If Robert died leaving no children at all:

(1) Stannis would inherit the throne, no questions, no wars. Selyse would have the title of Queen. If Stannis had no more sons by his wife, then his daughter Shireen would be his heir after *he* died, and would be a Queen after him. (Specifically, a Queen Regnant, and if she married, her husband would be a Prince Consort rather than a King.)

But, given that she has had greyscale, even if she lives, it would be unlikely that Shireen would marry. She may not even outlive Stannis. In either case, next in line would be Renly and any children that could be passed off as his... BUT, Renly is also unlikely to sire any children.

So, who would be next in line if all three of Robert, Stannis, Shireen and Renly died leaving no further Baratheon descendants? The general practice in such a situation, would be to note if all three brothers were dead without further issue, then the line of their own father Steffon has died out, therefore the claim passes to the heirs of Steffon's siblings if he had any, in the following order:


- if Steffon had a brother, then any living heirs of that brother.
- if he had *more than one* brother, then all heirs of the elder brother precede any from the younger brother, who would afterwards be considered in order.
- if no brothers at all, then any living heirs of any sister he might have had.
- if more than one sister, then heirs of the eldest precede heirs of any other, and so on.
- if he too had no siblings, go back one further generation to *his* father, and look for the heir of any siblings of that man, by the same procedure.

(2) In either case, in the absence of any children that could be passed as Robert and Cersei's, Cersei would retire to one of the great Lannister holdings - probably Casterly Rock - with the title of "Lady Lannister, the Dowager Queen": an honorific title that does not carry the right of command, but at least informs people that the lady was once a queen by marriage to a king who is now dead. Likewise if Stannis died leaving Selyse alive and widowed, she too would have the honorific title of Dowager Queen but no right of rule or position in the line of succession.

(3) But also in either case, any one of the widowed queens might demand that a close relative of *theirs* be preferred over a distant relative of the Baratheon brothers, and there might also be calls for a Targaryen restoration. Whether this could be sorted without a fight, who knows?

[KingAlanI]

JLE seems right, both legally and practically.

http://awoiaf.wester...effon_Baratheon

Apparently Robert, Stannis and Renly were his only children and he had no siblings. We have minimal detail on Steffon's father's family. Steffon's mother's family was Targaryen. Going that route yto her descendants would lead right back where we started - Viserys or Daenerys.

Snow Wight Walker, on 07 February 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

Cersei's only hope is to seduce Stannis, and brainwash him to get rid of Selyse.

With Stannis incoming for the Battle Of The Blackwater, Cersei says that if the opposing commander was anyone else, she would have tried to seduce him - she recognizes Stannis isn't vulnerable to that, too stiffly honorable. Likewise, I don't see him tossing out Selyse - Melisandre worked through her, right, "queen's men" and all that?

[grod823]

The throne would pass to Robert's male children first  and Cersei would be ruler as regent until her male child became of age.  As someone stated above that (although not proven) that all of Cersei's children were born of incest.   If proven, then the throne goes to Stannis and this becomes irrelevant as Cersei would be condemned for death due to her abomination.  Thus, giving Cersei absolutely zero claim to the throne.

[BlackBrother55]

No, she would technicaly be queen, but would not realy be  in poweer, Stannis would be in power and his wife would be queen. Cersei would retain the title, but wouldn't realy be in charge of anything. That's what I think at least.