Tyrion Lannister is Sansas perfect match

[Pellaeon]

So after the Sandor thread I think Tyrion is neccessary

So why is he her perfect match?

First of all, relationships must base on equel inteligence and commonalities, Sansa is intelligent like Tyrion, prooven in this rethink Sansa threads we have so many. In contrast to the hound, who isn't her equel on that part, what most likely lead to many problems, Tyrion and Sansa can have a decent conversation and common interrests.

Both endure humiliation by Cersei and others

I have more but must find it first, please add your points

And haters, please stay out

[straits]

This is evolving into 'Sansa is a perfect wife for my favorite male character' thread type. And none of the points you listed means they are necessarily suitable for each other. Decent conversations can be had between many people. Intelligent people are everywhere. Lots of people suffered humiliation in the series. The only thing that would hold this couple together is circumstance.

[Frey Pie]

It depends on whether or not Tyrion cops on from the way he is in Dance. I wouldnt want Dance Tyrion anywhere near Sansa, but Swords Tyrion wouldnt be so bad

[David Selig]

They were married and lived together for months and both hated it. It's a terrible match for many reasons.

[LordBloodraven]

And Joramun blew the Horn of Winter, and woke giants from the earth

[MisterCrist]

They were married and lived together for months and both hated it. It's a terrible match for many reasons.

Well to fair, the main reasons they weren't happily married is because

1. she was forced into it

2. He is a Lannister

3. he is ugly

[Tagganaro]

Seriously, I can't even think of ONE reason why people think this would or could work, or why they would even want it to. BOTH characters were entirely miserable during their original marriage. Tyrion only views Sansa as a naive fool who needs to be "protected" by him. Sansa can't even bare to look at Tyrion without getting sick. This is just such a terrible match. There's no chemistry, nothing in common, and Tyrion has just spent the last book raping sex slaves and threatening them to death. Why do people want this on Sansa? I really just don't get it.

[Myrcella]

Sansa is not a perfect match for anyone. Meek as she is, being subservient to a man wouldn't help her advances in the game. And we all want her to join the game, starting with killing LF.

Least of all Tyrion. You might as well say Oberyn is a better match for Sansa according to your logic, because he is smarter than Tyrion, and he kind of suffered a humiliation to his face from a pawn of Cersei. Better looking, too.

Edit: Okay, maybe not smarter, but you get my point

[butterbumps!]

First of all, relationships must base on equel inteligence and commonalities, Sansa is intelligent like Tyrion, prooven in this rethink Sansa threads we have so many.

Varys is smart. Maybe Tyrion should marry him too.

In contrast to the hound, who isn't her equel on that part, what most likely lead to many problems, Tyrion and Sansa can have a decent conversation and common interrests.

On this I totally agree. The conversations they shared were incredibly stimulating and not at all miserable attempts at civility. They truly have a lot to talk about beyond "pass the pease please," given how Tyrion was the appointed architect behind the pro-Lannister movement while at KL a book earlier. If I were Sansa, I'd definitely want to hear all about Tyrion's personal issues with daddy and his sister, as well as the thrill he received from successfully carrying out their plans of action against my family despite having said issues.

Both endure humiliation by Cersei and others

So maybe Tyrion can marry Jaime, random Kettleback, Lancel and goddam Moon Boy for all I know. Better yet, let them start a support group.

And haters, please stay out

Not a hater, so much as these reasons are dreadful.

[Lady Lea]

So maybe Tyrion can marry Jaime, random Kettleback, Lancel and goddam Moon Boy for all I know. Better yet, let them start a support group.

Who here has ever felt personally victimized by Regina George Cersei Lannister?

[solidsnake]

Sansa's only perfect match is Clegane. Beauty and the beast. If she gets over her superficiality she'll become a better person and learn that Clegane is the perfect man for her. If Clegane ever gets his head straight , stops hating the world, and accepts Sansa's love if she ever gives it to him then she will be the perfect woman for him. Those 2 deserve each other.

I will also add- Clegane would make a far better leader in the North because people respect him, the Northerners respect physical strength and warriors... people would actually respect him as a leader.

No matter how much Tyrion tries or how much good he can do as a lord, the North will never accept a lannister as their lord and especially a deformed imp.

Clegane marrying Sansa and becoming warden of the north is a lot more suitable.

[Pellaeon]

Ok, the haters bus hit me, maybe I should leave and never come back, or waiting until some supporters arrive and watch this forum burn :devil:

[Woman of War]

It is outright ridiculous to argue that Sandor might be anyhow "better" for Sansa than Tyrion. Both pairings would be fulfilling the beauty and beast trope and are therefore subverting conventional storytelling tropes - but since we expect the good old romantic stories to be subverted in these books both ships would be within the frame of what GRRM could confront us with.

What GRRM will write in the end he knows alone. We can argue based on what we would prefer and do all kinds of text exegesis to prove our point - and it still stays nothing but wishful thinking. No clever arguing or fangirl passion can take away the fact that Martin might do right the contrary, so why not simply admit that we shape our points according to the outcome we would love, according to our personal erotic fancies, according to whether we fangirls dream ourselves with the dark brute our the clever intellectual. The shipping is not about "who is best for Sansa", it is about ourselves. The book characters will fight in a far bigger moral struggle and any plot development concerning personal relationships is a subset of this epos. And there are certainly interpersonal conflicts that are at least as important as love stories.

I think though that both Tyrion's and Sansa's story arc is about a path to a vis a vis who recognizes and values them as the persons they are or will be able to become. An important part here is whether they will ever be able to value themselves. Whereas this will be a more traditional coming of age story for Sansa it will include moral struggles on a larger scale for Tyrion. They may fail or succeed.

I normally hate the term redemption because it has the odious taste that only characters who are apppropriately redeemed can be allowed to enter the paradise of survival after the story while those who did not manage a sufficient degree of redemption have to be condemned to death before the story ends as punishment for their sins. Otherwise the story would be morally imbalanced, you know the good ones go to heaven, the bad ones to hell. This is not a children's cautionary tale here with its black and white katharsis.

But in Sandor's case, like in few other characters, that redemption topic is part of his character development: I believe here we will see his redemption in our, the readers, eyes and in his own - and he will die for it. Some fans will cry, some will know this had to happen.

I think that In Tyrion's case Martin might make the impossible come true and give the character what he is constantly circling around: a moment of recognition, acceptance and love. Though after a glimpse at happiness Tyrion may very well die a glorious, and the fangirl im me hopes, a very meaningful death. Whether this happiness might happen with Sansa or Tysha or whomever - no idea. But there isi indeed a certain plot logic that Martin might write Sansa and Tyrion together.

I personally, and I am not trying to hide my fan preference by dozens of threads full of arguments that can easily be dust after the last volume, would like Tyrion with a more adult, a curious and clever woman who is able to take life into her own hands. But maybe Sansa will learn all that.

Who is Sansa's perfect match? Certainly, and no twisted wishful thinking argument can convince me otherwise, neither Tyrion nor Sandor nor Baelish. It would be a nice and honest, not too complicated boy close to her age like Pod.

But life and perfection are mutually exclusive.

[King Tyrion I]

:agree: Couldn't have said it better.

[Pliskin]

So after the Sandor thread I think Tyrion is neccessary

No.

[Woman of War]

And, Pellaeon, I may not be the most passionate supporter. But your opinion is at least as good and qualified as all those SanSan arguments. No one can seriously convince me that they are based on ironclad text evidence while everyone else has not read the books or is intellectually defective when it comes to analysis.

People have different fan dreams and they might come true or not.

[Winter's Knight]

Sansa's "perfect match" is Brienne-she is intelligent, loyal, honest, honourable and not fond of killing.

She pities Tyrion and a relationship built on pity will more often than not leave one side resentful and unfulfiled and the other patronised and insecure. There is nothing in the books to suggest that Sansa looks on Tyrion with aught but pity or that Tyrion thinks of her as an equal or indeed as more than an empty placeholder for his resentments.

[Lummel]

Ok, the haters bus hit me, maybe I should leave and never come back, or waiting until some supporters arrive and watch this forum burn :devil:

Some supporters?

Really. In theory Sansa could have made a good wife for tyrion were it not for the fact that she hates lannisters and wants revenge on them. I'm not sure what Tyrion could have offered Sansa though at this stage in his arc. Besides we've seen their marriage. What could occur that would have the effect of transforming their relationship to each other in to something positive?

...I think though that both Tyrion's and Sansa's story arc is about a path to a vis a vis who recognizes and values them as the persons they are or will be able to become. An important part here is whether they will ever be able to value themselves. Whereas this will be a more traditional coming of age story for Sansa it will include moral struggles on a larger scale for Tyrion. They may fail or succeed...

Who is Sansa's perfect match? Certainly, and no twisted wishful thinking argument can convince me otherwise, neither Tyrion nor Sandor nor Baelish. It would be a nice and honest, not too complicated boy close to her age like Pod.

But life and perfection are mutually exclusive.

Interesting take on their arcs to see it as the search to value themselves. I can see that.

I hadn't thought of it before but I agree Pod looks like good husband material - just looking at his acceptance and respect for Brienne he is clearly more open minded than most people in Westeros and loyal too. In the Sansa stakes though he is from a Lannister supporting family and a relative of the man who chopped off The Ned's head so I don't think I would put money on his chances yet.

[LordBloodraven]

It's been such a long time that we didn't have a Tyrion/Sansa thread. It was bound to happen

[butterbumps!]

Ok, the haters bus hit me, maybe I should leave and never come back, or waiting until some supporters arrive and watch this forum burn :devil:

No, Pelleon. I actually like Tyrion and am indifferent to San/San. My view on the matter is that if Sansa ends up with someone, I'd like it to be someone- anyone- she genuinely wants to end up with. I don't actually have any guy in mind with whom I want to see Sansa paired. Same for Tyrion, and in this particular case, neither Sansa nor Tyrion are even remotely happy together, nor is it even an equal political pairing where both parties might mutually gain.

My "hater" response is because you gave reasons that were neither insightful nor made any logical sense in support of this pairing. Though I'm not a proponent of San/San, this is actually a relationship that has textual backing and character analysis to support the notion that these two mean something to each other; whether it is romantic is up for debate, but it is quite clear that there is something significant between them. By contrast, Sansa/ Tyrion does not remotely point toward the idea that either has any significance to the other. Unless you think that both are masochists for a life of miserable coexistence.