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[par]

It is written that Jon, Arya and Ned shared the same physical feature
(long faces and grey eyes) while all the other children looked more like their mother.
There must be a reason for that, except that I can’t figure out what it is.
Arya and Jon were especially close one each other, it’s true, but by no mean closer to Ned than the other children.  Their personality is neither closer to Ned than the other children.
In fact, Robb is the one who usually has the same behavior like is father.
So what can it be?  I

[Rolex Baratheon]

par, on 10 November 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

It is written that Jon, Arya and Ned shared the same physical feature
(long faces and grey eyes) while all the other children looked more like their mother.
There must be a reason for that, except that I can’t figure out what it is.
Arya and Jon were especially close one each other, it’s true, but by no mean closer to Ned than the other children.  Their personality is neither closer to Ned than the other children.
In fact, Robb is the one who usually has the same behavior like is father.
So what can it be?  I

Genetics! =O

[rohit39]

par, on 10 November 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

It is written that Jon, Arya and Ned shared the same physical feature
(long faces and grey eyes) while all the other children looked more like their mother.
There must be a reason for that, except that I can’t figure out what it is.
Arya and Jon were especially close one each other, it’s true, but by no mean closer to Ned than the other children.  Their personality is neither closer to Ned than the other children.
In fact, Robb is the one who usually has the same behavior like is father.
So what can it be?  I

I for one think Jon is much more like Ned than Robb is. The concept of duty, honor, very Stark characteristics. Robb i'm not too sure was like Ned too much. Yes, he strived to be like Ned, learnt strategy, diplomacy, like a Stark heir should at his father's knee. But his personality was tempered with a bit of Tully.

[Jaime's Wench]

Rolex Baratheon, on 10 November 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Genetics! =O

I'm inclined to agree. Plus, looking more like your mother but acting more like your father is perfectly common.

Having said that, I am my mother's mini-me.

[Rolex Baratheon]

And I look like my father as do both my sisters. Genetics are like that.

[par]

Please, don't be naive.
The fact that GRRM tells again and again how much the three resemble one each other, and were different from the other means that it was not a simple genetical coincidence.

By the way, what are the characteristic of the Tullys, and how are they refleted in Robb,Bran,Sansa etc...?

Edited by par, 10 November 2012 - 05:31 AM.

[Rolex Baratheon]

par, on 10 November 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:

Please, don't be naive.
The fact that GRRM tells again and again how much the three resemble one each other, and were different from the other means that it was not a simple genetical coincidence.

By the way, what are the characteristic of the Tullys, and how are they refleted in Robb,Bran,Sansa etc...?

Red hair and I think blue eyes. And I don't think it really means anything. Robb is very different a person to Edmure or Brynden.

[Lummel]

par, on 10 November 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:

Please, don't be naive.
The fact that GRRM tells again and again how much the three resemble one each other, and were different from the other means that it was not a simple genetical coincidence...

Without wanting to get into a debate that would be rich in spoilers I would say that you are right that GRRM is pushing those surface similarities and differences.  Having said that as you read ASOIAF something useful to bear in mind is that what you see is not want you always get.  The interior can be very different from the facade.

It is important to remember this is a POV novel and the context of the observations.  When Arya and Sansa notice and reflect about the Tully and Stark features we are reading the thoughts of two children with childish outlooks on the world.  Those differences are hugely important to them at that time and their physical features will have a role to play in the futures of those characters...so keep reading

[rohit39]

Not to mention, not every coincidence and seemingly suspicious repetition of certain words are of value.

[Cora Stark]

Lummel, on 10 November 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

Without wanting to get into a debate that would be rich in spoilers I would say that you are right that GRRM is pushing those surface similarities and differences.  Having said that as you read ASOIAF something useful to bear in mind is that what you see is not want you always get.  The interior can be very different from the facade.

It is important to remember this is a POV novel and the context of the observations.  When Arya and Sansa notice and reflect about the Tully and Stark features we are reading the thoughts of two children with childish outlooks on the world.  Those differences are hugely important to them at that time and their physical features will have a role to play in the futures of those characters...so keep reading

I agree there is importance somewhere because Mr. Martin wouldn't lead us on for something as basic as genetics

[Quentyn Baratheon]

It's to show that no matter what, Jon is a Stark. Simple as that.

[StarkTagaryen]

There is a reason I'm sure and nothing he does it just for the hell of it, but its the same way the Lannisters are all described in the same way

[Stark bannermen]

I think that Jon could be the bastard child of Raegar And Lyana Stark, and Ned sees Arya as Lyana, People see Arya as different from the other stark children and Jon is close to her cause he knows he's an outsider of the pack. But.... Jon is also close to Robb

[tarak1ng]

I doubt there's some mysterious reason for their resemblance, that would be too Harry Potter-esque for my liking!

[JJtheCrow]

Yes it would have been so much easier if GRRM made them all identical twins.  One sibling looking like his/her mother, another sibling looking like his/her father...outlandish!!!!!!

[Angalin]

As this is the Still Reading subforum, no spoilers allowed.

[LynnS]

OK,  I wasn't aware that my posts were spoilers.  It's difficult to know what to discuss since all the books are out already.  Perhaps a forum  for people who have read as far as Dance with Dragons?  For the most part my posts were speculative giving interpretations of passages in the books.  If this is not allowed, I can go somewhere else.

[protar]

LynnS, on 06 March 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

OK,  I wasn't aware that my posts were spoilers.  It's difficult to know what to discuss since all the books are out already.  Perhaps a forum  for people who have read as far as Dance with Dragons?  For the most part my posts were speculative giving interpretations of passages in the books.  If this is not allowed, I can go somewhere else.

If you've read up till Dance with Dragons then you're safe with the general forums. And there is in fact a still reading forum for DWD with threads for each chapter