Daemon Dagoghlor Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I can't believe I didn't catch the "Tyr" reference in the Lannister names the first time through. I doubt everyone will die by the end, but like many I think we'll see the collapse of many of the major social structures and institutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludd Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 If Ragnarok happens many will live onAt least 4 sons of Odin and Thor will liveGendry, Edrik are the sons of Thor, Not sure about Odin, but bran and Mance seem good candidatesRickon also lives- he is the celtic God who comes across the sea to recall his family homeNot sure about the women - but Sansa and Arya are rather like the Sun and Mon who get to returnJon sadly i see as Heimdall (the watcher) and therefore will not surviveRajnarok is not Ice versus fire but Ice and fire versus the world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Carmack Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Wouldn't Bran be more of the Watcher than Jon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Isle Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Wouldn't Bran be more of the Watcher than Jon? sure. but not a watcher on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Carmack Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 Good point, I was just thinking of Bran watching the realm through all the weirwoods from his little dark room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profion Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Wich sounds a lot like Heimdall too... Heimdall dies fighting Loki if I´m not wrong, so...who could be Loki in ASOIAF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 As for the Odin figure of ASoIaF: Bloodraven is a skinchanger (or shapeshifter, he's also able to glamour), one-eyed, nailed to a tree...And don't forget Huginn and Muninn, Odin's ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Wich sounds a lot like Heimdall too... Heimdall dies fighting Loki if I´m not wrong, so...who could be Loki in ASOIAF?Littlefinger and Varys come to mind. I'm not sure which one fits better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profion Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I do think LF fits better the role of Loki, while Varys Support another dinasty LF acts like he just want to create enough caos to be powerful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Carmack Posted November 26, 2012 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 I agree, LF fits better than Varys, but LF isn't exactly the main antagonist in the series. He might end up that way for all we know, but I have doubts labeling him the "Loki" of the series for that reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viserys_The Transformed Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Finrir swallowed OdinDoes that mean Bran (Winged Wolf) swallows Bloodraven (Odin) ? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I think he uses a lot of different mythologies and I bloody love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k11u Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 GRRM actually uses a lot less Norse mythology than Tolkien. There's so much more to ASOIAF than Norse stuff. It's still fun speculating on it though. I wanted to point out that the Norse also had old gods (the Vanir) and new gods (the Aesir). Among the Vanir were the twins Freya and Freyr, Njord. The Aesir are Thor, Odin, Frigg, Baldr etc. The gods fought against each other in the Aesir-Vanir War. The result was that they unified into a single tribe of gods. "Odin shot a spear, hurled it over the host;that was still the first war in the world,the defense wall was broken of the Æsir's stronghold;the Vanir, indomitable, were trampling the plain."I think of this as the war between the First Men and the Children of the Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Summer Islander Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 This link as pretty cool http://gameofthrones...k-children.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon_Tor Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Also relevant to comparisons between norse mythology and the series is the fact that the Baratheons (throught marriage with the Durrendon line) are supposedly the descendants of a Storm God, and Robert's favored weapon was the warhammer. The founder of house Durrendon was Durran, a name bearing some similarity to the old Nordic "Þórr" who is today known as "Thor". (The D and Th sounds/letters have common origins in the Germanic languages, a category which includes the Nordic languages as well as English). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hawk Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Ragnarok end of times and the children of Balder and Holder will populated the earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k11u Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Also relevant to comparisons between norse mythology and the series is the fact that the Baratheons (throught marriage with the Durrendon line) are supposedly the descendants of a Storm God, and Robert's favored weapon was the warhammer. The founder of house Durrendon was Durran, a name bearing some similarity to the old Nordic "Þórr" who is today known as "Thor". (The D and Th sounds/letters have common origins in the Germanic languages, a category which includes the Nordic languages as well as English).Yep. The Germans used to worship Donar the God of Thunder. The proto-German word Þunraz means thunder. The Durrendons were the original Kings of the Stormlands a thousand years ago and a Targaryen bastard and general named Baratheon married the last Durrendon queen and took over. The Durrendons were Andals though so I don't know about them being the Storm God's descendants. The first Storm King was Durran who married Elenei, the daughter of the sea god, and built Storm's End. Also don't forget the Lightning Lord Dondarrion.Lol, i just realised. Durran the Andal married the daughter of the sea god and Baratheon the Targaryen married the daughter of the last Storm King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey family reunion Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 There are tons of Ragnorak imagery in ASOIF:1) The funeral pyre of Baldr has many parallels with the funeral of Drogo2) A red rooster crows in numerous different lands to announce the beginning of Ragnorak, while a red comet is seen over many lands to mark the independence of the North, Jon's decision to honor his vows, and the rebirth of the dragons3) Fenrir is a giant wolf kept chained in the underworld. He is only chained when the god Tyr puts his hand in his mouth to distract him while he is chained (and thus loses his hand). Jaime pushes Bran out the tower bringing Bran on the edge of death (the underworld). Jojen has a vision of the winged wolf chained, Bran. Bran breaks free of his chains (probably an allusion to Maester Luwin) when he opens his third eye. In the meantime Jaime loses his hand in a chain of events starting with Bran's fall from the tower.4) Read Tyrion's chapter in AGOT when he goes to the top of the Wall. The Wall appears as a road (or a bridge) stretching from one horizon to another. The Wall shimmers and changes color. The Wall is the Bifrost bridge (shimmering bridge). In Ragnorak the Bifrost bridge is shattered as many believe the Wall will be in this story.5) Frey is the god of summer who gave up his magic sword so he could pursue a lovely giantess who lived in the North. An allegory of the Targaryens who ultimately gave up their dragons and adopted the beliefs of the Andals so they could pursue Westeros. Or perhaps Rhaegar who gives up his kingdom in his pursuit of Lyanna? Interestingly, after losing his magic sword, Frey is forced to arm himself with an antler. An allegory of the realm losing the Targaryens and replacing them with the Baratheons (the Stag)?6) I believe Loki is Mance Rayder, who through trickery will lead the forces of the dead and the Others (Frost Giants) from the land of cold and mist (Niflheimr)into WesterosOr Loki could be Tyrion, the outcast who lives with the Lannisters (as Loki lived with the Aesir7) The underworld is possibly represented by Braavos and the Faceless Men, with Arya either being Hel or a Valkryie8) Dany is Surtr with her flaming sword (dragons) who will pass through the smoking sea of Valyria (Muspell the fiery realm) into Westeros9) As the series progresses, I think the Midgard Serpent, Jormungandr, is represented by the Iron Islands, Dorne, and the Free Cities which surround Westeros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I posted this in another thread, but I don't think Bloodraven is Odin, though there are lots of similarities. I actually think Odin is the Great Other, because of Mel's vision in aDWD about a tree-man (Bloodraven) and a wolf-faced boy (Bran) being the Great Other's champions, and the fact that Odin is often accompanied by a raven and a wolf.Also, ( and this theory is my dear, dear baby) I think that Tyr (because of the hand thing) = Jamie = AA ,and Fenrir (because of Jojen's vision of a chained wolf) = Bran = the Night's King, and the story will end with them just as it started with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Bastards Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 if you're interested in some more literature that inspired GRRM, i recommend to read Maurice Druon's The Iron King. It's the first of 6 Books about the royal Family in the France of the 14th century. a lot of intrigues and paralels. i bought the first two books, as the 6 books are paired in 3 in germany, after GRRM mentioned it. i really had some moments, where i thought, he must have gotten inspiration from this, for example the king gets wounded in an hunting accident and his son is not the nicest fellow to claim the throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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