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[Kobayashi Maru]

Klaus and Caroline can''t be together,cmon,he killed Elena's aunt in front of her. Everybody forgets that.

[Tagganaro]

Kobayashi Maru, on 04 December 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

Klaus and Caroline can''t be together,cmon,he killed Elena's aunt in front of her. Everybody forgets that.

All the characters on the show have done incredibly despicable things lol.  If that's the reason they can't be together, then no one can be together.  Stefan threatened to kill Elena by driving her off the same bridge her parents died on, making her relive her memories all for his sick game with Klaus.  Damon has mind-raped several girls (including Caroline), which probably passes into physical rape, and like Stefan has murdered several innocent people.  Damon killed Matt's sister and Jeremy's girlfriend lol and they're still kind of friends.

That's the kind of show it is.  You can't deny that there's a lot of chemistry between Klaus and Caroline, going back to last years great scene on Caroline's birthday when Klaus saves her from the werewolf bite.

[Kobayashi Maru]

Tagganaro, on 05 December 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

All the characters on the show have done incredibly despicable things lol.  If that's the reason they can't be together, then no one can be together.  Stefan threatened to kill Elena by driving her off the same bridge her parents died on, making her relive her memories all for his sick game with Klaus.  Damon has mind-raped several girls (including Caroline), which probably passes into physical rape, and like Stefan has murdered several innocent people.  Damon killed Matt's sister and Jeremy's girlfriend lol and they're still kind of friends.

That's the kind of show it is.  You can't deny that there's a lot of chemistry between Klaus and Caroline, going back to last years great scene on Caroline's birthday when Klaus saves her from the werewolf bite.

You ere absolutely right. But to be fare Jer and Eelena are still alive. Attempts didn't work and Viki was trying to kill someone at the moment so...Jenna is dead as a doornail thanks to Klaus. All previous cases could be overlooked bcs ppl involved are around and kicking,except for Viki.
Re.Damon and mind rape...I wouldn't call it a rape,especially in second case where she looked more than happy to go around and be a bloodbag. Yes he's horrible,yes they all did awful things and tes if they starded paying atention now no one would have sex in MF...ever. Jenna is just too permanent to overlook.
But don't worry I see it happening too,they are playing with it. It was a little out of the blu imo,he just suddenly came and said yeah girl I noticed you around,would you go to bed with me? It was surprising at least espetially since he did 't aknowlede her until she was bitten and than suddenly hey I like you. Where did that come from?

[Tagganaro]

Kobayashi Maru, on 05 December 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

You ere absolutely right. But to be fare Jer and Eelena are still alive. Attempts didn't work and Viki was trying to kill someone at the moment so...Jenna is dead as a doornail thanks to Klaus. All previous cases could be overlooked bcs ppl involved are around and kicking,except for Viki.
Re.Damon and mind rape...I wouldn't call it a rape,especially in second case where she looked more than happy to go around and be a bloodbag. Yes he's horrible,yes they all did awful things and tes if they starded paying atention now no one would have sex in MF...ever. Jenna is just too permanent to overlook.
But don't worry I see it happening too,they are playing with it. It was a little out of the blu imo,he just suddenly came and said yeah girl I noticed you around,would you go to bed with me? It was surprising at least espetially since he did 't aknowlede her until she was bitten and than suddenly hey I like you. Where did that come from?

I don't know- I don't think there was anything before that, but ever since that episode they've sort of been playing up that chemistry.  And that's really such a fantastic scene when Caroline is dying and Klaus gives that great speech about living forever and experiencing all that life has to offer.  So I think really ever since then I've sort of been waiting for them to get together...It's becoming more urgent I think now that the Tyler/Hybrid story is kind of boring, and he's off with that werewolf girl whose name I don't know.  Caroline literally has nothing to do but whine about Damon, and she's such a great character she deserves better.  Klaus really has nothing to do either so it'd be a good way to give both characters something to do.  I guess first they have to break up Caroline and Tyler though.

[Tagganaro]

This season is kind of beginning to circle the drain a little bit imo.  Very disappointed in the direction this show has taken at this point.  Hopefully they find a way to make everyone forget about this awful, awful "Elena being sired" storyline.  It's a really stupid distraction that is also somewhat offensive to Elena's character and seems to me to be a total stalling technique while the show tries to build up Professor Shane as the big bad.  Very boring right now and pointless.  

The sad thing was this most recent episode would have been awesome if not for the siring nonsense.  Always great to see Lexi and the flashbacks, but entirely wasted appearance of both for this dumb sire storyline.  I really hope next episode is the last we have to hear of this, and that the show stops spinning its wheels and lets this Shane/Cure/Hybrid storyline play out a little bit more.  Shane is rather boring as a big bad anyway, hopefully he's just leading to Silas who sounds like he'll be a badass villain who is a lot of fun.  This show should not have killed off Connor so soon, that guy was the best villain the show had in quite a while and I think now it seems as if they really rushed his death.

[Black Wolf Smith]

Tagganaro, on 08 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

This season is kind of beginning to circle the drain a little bit imo.  Very disappointed in the direction this show has taken at this point.  Hopefully they find a way to make everyone forget about this awful, awful "Elena being sired" storyline.  It's a really stupid distraction that is also somewhat offensive to Elena's character and seems to me to be a total stalling technique while the show tries to build up Professor Shane as the big bad.  Very boring right now and pointless.  

The sad thing was this most recent episode would have been awesome if not for the siring nonsense.  

The worst part about this crappy sire BS, is that Elena was finally becoming cool. She has been the worst thing on this show since the 2nd season. Her character just did go anywhere.  Only when Stephan was the Ripper and she was hanging out with Damon was E + S story any good, her and Damon was fun, it was unpredictable, and had lots of room to grow.

[Tagganaro]

Black Wolf Smith, on 09 December 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

The worst part about this crappy sire BS, is that Elena was finally becoming cool. She has been the worst thing on this show since the 2nd season. Her character just did go anywhere.  Only when Stephan was the Ripper and she was hanging out with Damon was E + S story any good, her and Damon was fun, it was unpredictable, and had lots of room to grow.

agreed.  I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of Elena (for example, when they let her be badass she's kind of awesome, like when she stabbed herself and then stabbed Elijah, that was awesome).  But I agree with everything else- I don't even know what to think about this siring bs storyline.  It seems like such a copout of what for once seemed to be genuine character movement and love-triangle movement.  Now I don't know what to think.  Just such a shitty storyline.

[Black Wolf Smith]

Tagganaro, on 09 December 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

agreed.  I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of Elena (for example, when they let her be badass she's kind of awesome, like when she stabbed herself and then stabbed Elijah, that was awesome).  But I agree with everything else- I don't even know what to think about this siring bs storyline.  It seems like such a copout of what for once seemed to be genuine character movement and love-triangle movement.  Now I don't know what to think.  Just such a shitty storyline.

Fair enough. But most of the time the last year or so her story has been boring, and awlful. She doesn't do much but pine over Stephan( how ever its spelled) and when there was an action, she played only a small part of it.

[Kobayashi Maru]

Tagganaro, on 08 December 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

This season is kind of beginning to circle the drain a little bit imo.  Very disappointed in the direction this show has taken at this point.  Hopefully they find a way to make everyone forget about this awful, awful "Elena being sired" storyline.  It's a really stupid distraction that is also somewhat offensive to Elena's character and seems to me to be a total stalling technique while the show tries to build up Professor Shane as the big bad.  Very boring right now and pointless.  

The sad thing was this most recent episode would have been awesome if not for the siring nonsense.  Always great to see Lexi and the flashbacks, but entirely wasted appearance of both for this dumb sire storyline.  I really hope next episode is the last we have to hear of this, and that the show stops spinning its wheels and lets this Shane/Cure/Hybrid storyline play out a little bit more.  Shane is rather boring as a big bad anyway, hopefully he's just leading to Silas who sounds like he'll be a badass villain who is a lot of fun.  This show should not have killed off Connor so soon, that guy was the best villain the show had in quite a while and I think now it seems as if they really rushed his death.

Wins an award for using the fraise "stupid sire bond " highest number of times in one post.

I agree it will all lead to Silas,I can see season ending with opening of his grave/tomb and him being set free. Most probably by our dear professor.

Can someone remind me why Caroline has so much hatred for Damon. Ok remember how their relationship started and ended but since then they went through a lot together to save ppl they both love I was thinking they were in different place now .I probably forgot something.

Edited by Kobayashi Maru, 09 December 2012 - 09:12 AM.

[Areya]

I dont know if anyone picked up on this but the Witch that Damon and Stefan visited, said that the Magic her mother practiced, that of using the power of Human Sacrifice, was called Expression. Bonnie told Caroline and Elena that Prof. Shane is teaching her a new kind of Magic, called Expression. So i think we are certainly headed for a Dark Willow type storyline with Bonnie.

[Tagganaro]

Kobayashi Maru, on 09 December 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Wins an award for using the fraise "stupid sire bond " highest number of times in one post.

lol, because really, I can't say it enough.  Stupid Sire bond.  Stupid sire bond.  Stupid sire bond.  

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I agree it will all lead to Silas,I can see season ending with opening of his grave/tomb and him being set free. Most probably by our dear professor.

Agreed.  Hopefully they can get a good actor to play him and he can be a much better villain than Klaus has become.

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Can someone remind me why Caroline has so much hatred for Damon. Ok remember how their relationship started and ended but since then they went through a lot together to save ppl they both love I was thinking they were in different place now .I probably forgot something.

Well the whole "mind-rape" issue comes to mind right off the bat.  I mean, Damon essentially used Caroline as a bloodbag for the beginning of the series lol.  And then I think more recently, Caroline just hates people who she sees as out of control (because she's such a control freak herself) so she hates Damon because she thinks he's a bad influence on Elena and a bad "person".  She's also really much closer with Stefan (who helped her when she got turned into a vamp originally), so it makes sense she'd support him over Damon in the love triangle.

Areya, on 09 December 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

I dont know if anyone picked up on this but the Witch that Damon and Stefan visited, said that the Magic her mother practiced, that of using the power of Human Sacrifice, was called Expression. Bonnie told Caroline and Elena that Prof. Shane is teaching her a new kind of Magic, called Expression. So i think we are certainly headed for a Dark Willow type storyline with Bonnie.

Yep, I did pick up on that as well.  I've been calling for this for a while so it's a welcome development.  That being said, again I have to love (and by love I mean hate), how they can't let Bonnie arrive at this decision on her own, but instead again as another plot device with her being manipulated yet again by plot development.  I remember when Bonnie was actually a decent character before they took away all her freewill and just made her into a magical fix-it for whatever plot development they wanted...ahh, the good old days.  

It would be much better if they just cut out Professor Shane and had Bonnie getting sick of doing everything for her friends and obeying the spirits (like they hinted at last season), instead of having her just be manipulated yet again by events out of her control.

[Kobayashi Maru]

Tagganaro, on 10 December 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

Well the whole "mind-rape" issue comes to mind right off the bat.  I mean, Damon essentially used Caroline as a bloodbag for the beginning of the series lol.  And then I think more recently, Caroline just hates people who she sees as out of control (because she's such a control freak herself) so she hates Damon because she thinks he's a bad influence on Elena and a bad "person".  She's also really much closer with Stefan (who helped her when she got turned into a vamp originally), so it makes sense she'd support him over Damon in the love triangle.

Yes I remember that. but since then they worked together so many times,they saved Elena and ppl they both cared about,they went though a lot so I was kind of under an impression they sorted it out. He proved to be a better person. A dick yes,but with few shiny moments. Since that bumpy beginning they barely mentioned it ever again and had few if any confrontations and suddenly he's master of evil and boils live puppies...It was a bit strong reaction so I was confused.I thought I forgot some major event (like him killing Tyler or something). He helped her and her mother many times

Re.Expression,yes I picked that up too. What a lame name for the darkest magic of them all. It's worse than black magic and it's called expression . how long it will take for someone to connect the dots? What do you think? He is manipulating her but ultimately she'll have to choose to use it.

[Areya]

Well there is also the fact that Damon has to sacrifice 12 people for that Witch in New Orleans to get access to this power. Prof. Shane is gathering 12 UN-sired Hybrids, so that has to tie in somehow.
I agree with what Tagganaro said, its a shame Bonnie is only a plot device now, as she was one of my favourite character's in the series up until probably around season 3.

[Kobayashi Maru]

Good point about the hybrids,I kind of thought you have to make human sacrifice in order for it to work but this sounds right. Why bother though with unsiring 12 hybrids (it's risky,bond might not break,it takes too long,Klaus might find out...)when you can use 12 ppl,they are all around,easy to get,overpower...?

[Areya]

Im assuming that using Hybrids to access the magic over  Humans makes the magic more powerful? It might not be related to Bonnie at all though, but its kinda suspicious that 12 is the number on both accounts.

[Kobayashi Maru]

That crossed my mind as plausible explanation. More powerful creature makes for more powerful magic,or makes sure it'l work. Only thing that doean't fit in is why are they making them break the aire bond? They could have lured them and captured them and eventualu sacrificed them with the bond still working. Why break it,why go through the trouble? Maybe the sacrifice needs to be voluntary?

[Tagganaro]

yes, I've been puzzled by this as well.  Why unsired hybrids?  I think I have to agree with both your reasons- They are the most powerful of the magical creatures, so maybe using them they can access the most powerful magic to release Silas.  But the unsired part still doesn't make sense- I imagine there's a revelation coming about it and why Shane needs them like that.

Kobayashi- I kind of think the show struggles with how to treat season 1 most of the time as well.  There's probably certain things the show would prefer us to forget about it, so maybe that leads to this kind of weak-ass explanation for why Caroline all of a sudden hates Damon, when you really think about what he's done to her in the past (outside of them having selective memory with it), I think it makes sense that she'd hate Damon.

Areya- Good call about the 12 thing, I'd been thinking that maybe 13 is a magical number so they need 12 sacrifices and then Silas will be the 13th, but instead of being sacrificed he'll be freed.

I also think it's really weird how Shane was talking to werewolf girl (sorry, I still have no idea what her name is) about how her parents being dead didn't have to be the end of them, and then he said something like "We are the beginning".  That's pretty similar to the Priest head of the Council who burned himself and the entire council in the season premiere.  We know that guy was talking with Shane before he did it, so that kind of connects the dots a little.  Still weird though- What does it really mean?

[Kobayashi Maru]

Tagganaro, on 11 December 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

yes, I've been puzzled by this as well.  Why unsired hybrids?  I think I have to agree with both your reasons- They are the most powerful of the magical creatures, so maybe using them they can access the most powerful magic to release Silas.  But the unsired part still doesn't make sense- I imagine there's a revelation coming about it and why Shane needs them like that.

Kobayashi- I kind of think the show struggles with how to treat season 1 most of the time as well.  There's probably certain things the show would prefer us to forget about it, so maybe that leads to this kind of weak-ass explanation for why Caroline all of a sudden hates Damon, when you really think about what he's done to her in the past (outside of them having selective memory with it), I think it makes sense that she'd hate Damon.

Areya- Good call about the 12 thing, I'd been thinking that maybe 13 is a magical number so they need 12 sacrifices and then Silas will be the 13th, but instead of being sacrificed he'll be freed.

I also think it's really weird how Shane was talking to werewolf girl (sorry, I still have no idea what her name is) about how her parents being dead didn't have to be the end of them, and then he said something like "We are the beginning".  That's pretty similar to the Priest head of the Council who burned himself and the entire council in the season premiere.  We know that guy was talking with Shane before he did it, so that kind of connects the dots a little.  Still weird though- What does it really mean?

Wow good point about the priest,I almost forgot about him. Yes he was all like this is no bog dead we'll be back even more awesome. Does anybody remembers how many people was in that house at the time? More than 12 ,less? Was that the part of sacrifice or were they just fooled by Shane. they better  have one bog fat explanation for all of this.

Re.Caroline,I see why she should hate him and I agree,she should but not on queue. That why I was confused and thought I missed something.They were all fine for couple of seasons,they worked together they spent a lot of time together and then suddenly he's source of all evil. I thought we were done with that but I guess we're not,we'll use it when we need it and in meantime forget about it.

Edited by Kobayashi Maru, 11 December 2012 - 05:43 AM.

[Areya]

About the werewolf girl, im confused as to why she would be willing to dish up 12 people to Shane just to get information on her birth parents. Im not sure how it works in the U.S but here in the U.K, im  pretty sure that once you turn 18, the authorities have to give you your birth parent information if you ask for it.

[Daenerys is my queen]

Everyone who's worried about Delena, take a deep breath. In the last episode (SPOILER ALERT if you haven't seen it) they confirmed that Elena's feelings for Damon are real. Twice. So the sire bond honestly doesn't matter. Besides, now that Damon knows about it he can be careful not to accidentally take advantage of it. And I'm sure that they'll cure it eventually. The writers aren't going to leave Elena sired forever. At least, I hope they won't.
@ Areya: I'm not sure. Although no one in the tvd world really has a normal life or plays by normal rules.