theLongKnight Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It just "dawned" on me. I was reading a thread about the Darkstar and I got to thinking. Its said to be a super sword kinda right? Really I think it because "dawn" ends the night so the sword dawn ended the long night. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That's a common theory.I don't think Lightbringer is Dawn. I don't even know if it's a sword or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis the Wight Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Howland Reed has the sword known as Dawn. I don't have any evidence for this whatsoever but it's just a suspicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Howland Reed has the sword known as Dawn. I don't have any evidence for this whatsoever but it's just a suspicion.GRRM has said that Dawn is at Starfell. sorry.To the OP. While I am not sure that Lightbringer is the NW or anything like that, I do not believe that Dawn is LB or if it is, it won't matter. It is too easy of an answer. If LB is a sword, I don't believe that AAR needs the same sword to do what it is destine to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon has three heads Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It is obvious and that's why it's generally discarded. However I think the "sword of the morning" is the most important thing here. The title, not the blade.It's seems ridiculous that LB could make its way to a southern house if AA( if that even is his true name, and I doubt it is-or was) why was it not interred in his crypt(still possible)? Why was it not given to the NW as the most potent weapon for their sole purpose? Records of it at may be CB, but, without Sam who to find them? It just seems too nice a fit, someone of the blood holds the sword, or kills someone with it and BAM super weapon, GRRM is not that obvious...even though it would be cool haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It is obvious and that's why it's generally discarded. However I think the "sword of the morning" is the most important thing here. The title, not the blade.It's seems ridiculous that LB could make its way to a southern house1 if AA( if that even is his true name, and I doubt it is-or was) why was it not interred in his crypt(still possible)? Why was it not given to the NW as the most potent weapon for their sole purpose2? Records of it at may be CB, but, without Sam who to find them? It just seems too nice a fit, someone of the blood holds the sword3, or kills someone with it and BAM super weapon, GRRM is not that obvious...even though it would be cool haha1. well a southern based house, Daynes are FM. Not a johnny come lately house.2. Not even getting in to the heresy I would love to about that, The long night ended, and the WW/Others had not been seen in a 1,000 years. Why would they give away there biggest claim to fame.3. Dawn was giving to the best swordsman of a genration, not just that of their Heir, like other houses. It could be well that at one time that included members of other houses. We just don't know enough at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think the NW or dragons or something alone those lines makes more sense than a single sword. I mean, Dawn is just a really sharp sword. It hasn't displayed any magical qualities, so unless you believe it's just got some hidden powers that come alive when fighting Others, I don't know why you'd think it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armidil0 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think it is the original LB, but that there will be a new one, or a more figurative one this time around. Or a combination of sword/group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaeneryStormBorn Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think it is the original LB, but that there will be a new one, or a more figurative one this time around. Or a combination of sword/group of people.Why would there be a new one, if its still solid and not broken. I want dawn to be LB but i also subscribe to the nightwatch being LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Why would there be a new one, if its still solid and not broken. I want dawn to be LB but i also subscribe to the nightwatch being LB.That is an easy one. The theory is that AAR would have to make his own sacrifice for the sword he uses to work. So in short it could be viewed that Q Halfhand's sacrifice forged Longclaw as a new LB.Not that I think this story is headed any where near that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotweaselsoup Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 It is obvious and that's why it's generally discarded. However I think the "sword of the morning" is the most important thing here. The title, not the blade.It's seems ridiculous that LB could make its way to a southern house if AA( if that even is his true name, and I doubt it is-or was) why was it not interred in his crypt(still possible)? Why was it not given to the NW as the most potent weapon for their sole purpose? Records of it at may be CB, but, without Sam who to find them?It just seems too nice a fit, someone of the blood holds the sword, or kills someone with it and BAM super weapon, GRRM is not that obvious...even though it would be cool hahaRe "The Sword of the Morning" - Jon is looking at the stars in one of his chapters, and the "Sword of the Morning" is mentioned as a constellation. I can't help but think of our own RL Morning Star. From Wikipedia:Morning star is the name given to the planet Venus when it appears in the east before sunrise (as though heralding the coming of the morning). "Phosphorus" or "Light-Bringer" (Greek Φωσφόρος Phōsphoros) is the ancient Greek mythological name for the planet. It is also named Ἑωσφόρος, Heosphoros, "Dawn-bringer".But what is most interesting to me is that Venus is also known as the Evening Star, because the planet reaches its maximum brightness both shortly before dawn and shortly after sunset. Brienne, the Maid of Tarth is the daughter of the Evenstar - aka the Evening Star.I don't know if it means anything, but I thought it was intriguing :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragon has three heads Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Well wasn't Briennes father called the Evenstar?This goes back to some crackpot theories I had about celestial cycles being the part of the reason for the return of the others/dragons/AAR/comet etcAnyway, Re the Daynes, is it known when their valyrian traits appeared? Didnthey marry targs? I cant recall.Could it be they escape the doom far before Aegons family? It would be interesting if the Daynes Were the actual house of AA not the targs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brut Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Dawn could well be the original Lightbringer, but we seem to be getting to the point where the new LB is introduced. Similar to the way Mel is "creating" the LB for Stan. Note, she does not seek the legendary sword and present it to Stan, but rather creates the new one. So, if this analogy is of any indication, the true LB might actually be reforged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Haywood Stark Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Has anyone ever thought that the lost sword of House Lanister might be the actual lightbringer ... just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Know Face Man Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Has anyone ever thought that the lost sword of House Lanister might be the actual lightbringer ... just a thoughtMy theory is that all Valyrian Steel swords are a recreation of Lightbringer. But that Dawn is the original Lightbringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wolf Smith Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Has anyone ever thought that the lost sword of House Lanister might be the actual lightbringer ... just a thoughtMy theory is that all Valyrian Steel swords are a recreation of Lightbringer. But that Dawn is the original Lightbringer. :bang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borwin Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Doubt it, there is nothing in the series to tie Dawn to Lightbringer besides both of them having similar names.Now if I were a betting man, I would bet that the actual Lightbringer could be hidden in the crypts of Winterfell, and that Jon will find it after he is resurrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Pie Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 My theory is that all Valyrian Steel swords are a recreation of Lightbringer.Recreation? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Baratheon Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 don´t the nightswatch vows say something like: " .......I´m the sword in the darkness ....." ? 1)In the legend ,I think, AA´s lightbringer breaks 2 times, and then some stuff happens... 2) The nightswatch too " broke" two times. first time, when Mormont gets stabbed by brothers, second time when jon gets stabbed by brothers...-> so there clearly are some hints that point to nightswatch= lightbringer Or it´s just Longclaw or Oathbreaker or some other valyrian swordy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagshell Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 But what is most interesting to me is that Venus is also known as the Evening Star, because the planet reaches its maximum brightness both shortly before dawn and shortly after sunset.Or a "dark-star" if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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