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Dawn is the blade AA forged to end the long night.


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#21 Ruby Chevrolet

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:28 PM

don´t the nightswatch vows say something like: " .......I´m the sword in the darkness ....." ?
1)In the legend ,I think, AA´s lightbringer breaks 2 times, and then some stuff happens...
2) The nightswatch too " broke" two times. first time, when Mormont gets stabbed by brothers, second time when jon gets stabbed by brothers...

-> so there clearly are some hints that point to nightswatch= lightbringer

Or it´s just Longclaw or Oathbreaker or some other valyrian swordy


I don't think the Night's Watch is Lightbringer, but if it is then it has been tempered three times:

First, when Jon (of the Night's Watch) killed Qhorin Halfhand. Second, when the brothers killed Lord Mormont. Third, when the brothers stabbed Jon.

Which would mean Jon = Nissa Nissa.

Which would mean whoever takes control of the Night's Watch now will be Azor Ahai. So . . . Stannis?

Which would be quite a plot twist.

But I think sometimes a sword is just a sword and that Lightbringer = Dawn.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:24 AM

Now if I were a betting man, I would bet that the actual Lightbringer could be hidden in the crypts of Winterfell, and that Jon will find it after he is resurrected.

And again since GRRM has said that its a Starfell, you would lose that bet.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:17 AM

Recreation? Why?


Over history mankind has repeatedly tried to recreate weapons from storys. If the Valyrians had herd of Lightbringer its possible they too wanted a sword that could match it.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:01 PM

Surely if Lightbringer is a sword currently in play then Ice is more likely and would need reforging.

I have zero evidence for this opinion, just a thought.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:15 PM

Lightbringer and Dawn could be the same sword, House Martell's Dayne existence pre dates the Andals so they could very well have the blade.

Edited by Lion Of Judah, 13 December 2012 - 11:18 PM.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:16 PM

Lightbringer and Dawn could be the same sword, House Martell's existence pre dates the Andals so they could very well have the blade.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:17 PM

House Dayne

Yes sorry about that. House Dayne.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:31 AM

So many people love the NW = LB theory.

I...don't.
The fact we've seen very little of house Dayne is no mistake.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:33 AM

And again since GRRM has said that its a Starfell, you would lose that bet.


When did George say that LIGHTBRINGER was at Starfall? No George never said that Lightbringer was at Starfall, but that DAWN was last located at Starfall.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:36 AM

Well according to Maester Aemon the true Lightbringer generates HEAT. There is nothing in any of the books that states that DAWN generates heat or light of any kind.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:35 AM

Well according to Maester Aemon the true Lightbringer generates HEAT. There is nothing in any of the books that states that DAWN generates heat or light of any kind.

Well, you never know with prophesies, even though I'm not a big supporter of this theory. When the sun rises (dawn), heat is generated. A prophesy may be a play with words.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:43 AM

It is obvious and that's why it's generally discarded. However I think the "sword of the morning" is the most important thing here. The title, not the blade.
It's seems ridiculous that LB could make its way to a southern house if AA( if that even is his true name, and I doubt it is-or was) why was it not interred in his crypt(still possible)? Why was it not given to the NW as the most potent weapon for their sole purpose? Records of it at may be CB, but, without Sam who to find them?
It just seems too nice a fit, someone of the blood holds the sword, or kills someone with it and BAM super weapon, GRRM is not that obvious...even though it would be cool haha

Is there a sowrd of morning now. I dont think anyone has that title and what do they have to do to be giving it and hence weld dawn. Clearly Darkstar is miffed its not him.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

When did George say that LIGHTBRINGER was at Starfall? No George never said that Lightbringer was at Starfall, but that DAWN was last located at Starfall.

Opps, my bad. I got messed up on which I was talking about.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:20 PM

AA's Lightbringer is said to generate heat but it's also always described as the Red Sword of Heroes.

Dawn is described to be "as pale as milkglass".

it doesn't seem to fit that these are the same sword.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

AA's Lightbringer is said to generate heat but it's also always described as the Red Sword of Heroes.

Dawn is described to be "as pale as milkglass".

it doesn't seem to fit that these are the same sword.


The color metal turns when heated up is a white-red

Who's to say the sword is always Hot or always gives off Heat? Could be the sword heats up when Others are around. Could be the sword only heats up in the hands of AA.

But the fact is Dawn is Lightbringer, too many similarity to say anything different.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:05 PM

But the fact is Dawn is Lightbringer, too many similarity to say anything different.


Isn't the only similarity the name?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:15 PM

Isn't the only similarity the name?


No Dawn is the only sword thousands of years old. House Dayne is a First Men house, The Sword of the Morning title could also be given to the man who holds a sword with the name Lightbringer. The Nights Watch Vow says I am the LIGHT that BRINGS the DAWN

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:02 PM

AA's Lightbringer is said to generate heat but it's also always described as the Red Sword of Heroes.

Dawn is described to be "as pale as milkglass".

it doesn't seem to fit that these are the same sword.


A pale sword would show blood very easily...